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Re: European 1 year MBAs [#permalink] New post 10 Jan 2008, 07:00
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OK..

I am looking at doing a reasonably priced 1 year MBA from a well-known and respected business school that offers recruitment into Trading at an I-bank (or other investment firm). Basically, I am looking for prestige (brand name recognition) and a good cost-benefit ratio. I would like to work in UK, Ireland, Netherlands, Switzerland, or Germany. Germany/Switzerland would be my ideal places (I currently live in Germany), followed by UK/Ireland and the Netherlands.


I see you leaning towards British schools in your recent posts. However, if you plan on going to Switzerland, there's simply no way around considering HSG St. Gallen.

Judging from a finance and consulting perspective, I would say that it's definitely recognized as the best university in German speaking Europe (IMD is in the French part of Switzerland). All top I-Banks recruit there, and if you get good grades you will surely find a job in your desired field (keeping in mind that most European offices actually care about your grades, not just the school you went to).

To reassure you: The university hosts the most prestigious career fairs in German speaking Europe - the Investment Banking Days and the Forum HSG.

http://www.investmentbankingdays.com/index.html (who's who of I-Banks)
http://www.forumhsg.ch/index.php?id=29&L=2 (120 companies, everything from McK to UBS)

Both of these are organized by students - the school is big on extracurricular activities. Plus, the Career Services Center is fantastic.

I have absoluetly no clue why HSG's reputation isn't reflected in the rankings of FT et al., but talk to any recruiters in Switzerland, Germany, or Austria, or look at the number of top managers in these countries who are HSG alumni and you'll see that it's an excellent choice (if not your best bet considering your search criteria). Furthermore, the professors are top notch, most of them are the authors of the most widely used German text books in their fields.

P.S. I remember somebody on the BusinessWeek forum posting about his MBA experience at HSG, I'm sure you can ask him any MBA specific questions you might have. One thing is for sure: the University has an excellent reputation. And if you move to Switzerland you'll save taxes and get a higher salary compared to Germany

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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2008, 01:17
Hi Diplo,

Thanks for your reply and good word about St. Gallen.

I made my decision to apply there a couple months ago along with INSEAD. I still need to visit both schools, so I think the "campus feel" will ultimately determine my decision.

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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2008, 01:33
Hi trader1,

How do you rate INSEAD for trading/finance based on your research ?

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Hi Diplo,

Thanks for your reply and good word about St. Gallen.

I made my decision to apply there a couple months ago along with INSEAD. I still need to visit both schools, so I think the "campus feel" will ultimately determine my decision.

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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2008, 15:46
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How do you rate INSEAD for trading/finance based on your research ?




the careers report (http://www.insead.edu/mba/careers/docs/ ... report.pdf) indicates that they're putting 30% of their class into finance / i-banking. now, it's hard to say which percentage of this population actually goes into sales & trading. other schools like NYU Stern, Columbia, and probably some of the other top US schools give exact percentages going into sales & trading. all the research i have done in regards to european b-schools has shown me that LBS and INSEAD are the top 2 b-schools for finance and i-bank recruiting, in that order. however, by virtue of class size, INSEAD is putting more numbers into the sector.

ultimately, what i have found is that the school is only one half the key to landing the job you want. it definitely helps to get into a top 10 school. from there though, it's pretty much on you to convince the firms why they should take you, especially when you don't have any financial work experience (like me). however, i trade for a living now, so i think that might count for something when it comes time to future interviews. but my style of trading is nothing like what goes on with S&T at an i-bank. personally, i think i'd rather do sales if i end up in an i-bank. but, of course, working on the trading floor with all the action!
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2008, 15:49
i forgot to mention.

if you want to increase your chances of working in s&t for an i-bank, then you should apply for the january intake. with this option, you get 2 months during the summer to do an internship.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2008, 19:49
Thanks..

That will be my option in case I dont get anywhere this year :( - a definite possibility ...
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i forgot to mention.

if you want to increase your chances of working in s&t for an i-bank, then you should apply for the january intake. with this option, you get 2 months during the summer to do an internship.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2008, 13:27
I know someone who was at IMD in Lausanne. They offer an excellent 10-month programme and attract the best Swiss recruiters including consulting firms. Everyone of the class had a job offer by the end of the programme. In my opinion the best school beside LBS and INSEAD, but hard to get in.

Why has nobody considered IMD so far?

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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2008, 14:50
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Why has nobody considered IMD so far?

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i considered it, but found it to be too focused on industry. not my thing. the students are bit older for my level and are much more accomplished.

basically, lack of fit sums it up.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 15 Jan 2008, 16:55
I visited IMD and got the same impression. The program is extremely intense. When I met with a student he told me that he regretted his decision for the first six months because he was putting in 18-20 hour days and at times went without sleep for 36 hours.

Besides that scaring me, the marketing lady told me that I would be on the young side of the class. Plus, you have to go to Lausanne to interview. Significant costs if you get rejected.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 16 Jan 2008, 03:00
Guys,

one year MBAs (or any MBAs) are no cake walk. We are all doing this to get ahead in the rat race,...so we have to run harder and faster.

I often walk past the SBS Oxford business school to catach a train around 8pm on fridays. These guys aren't at the pub, they are in there studying, (i can see them through the glass windows) head down...looking intense...but hey...we all want to join them,,don't we?

don't let marketing people put you off. Of course it will be tough, but it will be worth it!
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2008, 03:53
I wonder if have 2-3 years of work experience and 1 year as GM at my own company... can i do an EMBA program?
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2008, 09:51
you wonder quite alot...
You are posting the same question in different threads. Try opening a new topic. Chances are you will get better and more accurate info.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 23 Feb 2008, 12:20
Hi,
Can anyone speak to HEC Paris experience. College experience, recruitment etc.

I have not quite figured out their 16 month program and whether it is sufficient for a career switcher

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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 26 Feb 2008, 05:49
Hello,

Does anyobody know any European programme with January intake, except HEC and INSEAD?

I heard IE, but cannot find that info on their site.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2008, 07:04
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Does anyobody know any European programme with January intake, except HEC and INSEAD?

I heard IE, but cannot find that info on their site.


I found the info on their website: it's actually an April intake. ESADE also have that for the 12 month programme.

For me it will probably be INSEAD as a first choice, plus one of these as a back-up: HEC, IE and/or ESADE.

I thought about LBS, but it would cost a lot more than any of the other European MBAs.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2008, 08:27
Hello Lumone,
IMD Lausanne starts in January as well!

cheers

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Does anyobody know any European programme with January intake, except HEC and INSEAD?

I heard IE, but cannot find that info on their site.


I found the info on their website: it's actually an April intake. ESADE also have that for the 12 month programme.

For me it will probably be INSEAD as a first choice, plus one of these as a back-up: HEC, IE and/or ESADE.

I thought about LBS, but it would cost a lot more than any of the other European MBAs.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2008, 05:40
After months weighting the pros and cons, I have finally decided what I want to do and where I will apply.

First, my profile:

29 yrs old - French
4 yr business program in the Netherlands (taught in English) – Not the best, but not the crappiest college
6 years WE (3 jobs) in finance/administration/accounting - 3 years in Germany - 3 in Ireland - Entire WE in the technology sector
Native French - Fluent English and German - average Dutch
Gmat 710 (Q48 - V39) - may retake in september
Area of interest: IM - I will take CFA level 1 in June 09

I originally considered applying to top US MBAs. But I have changed my mind. At my age I don't feel like doing a 2 year program, especially on another continent. I would like to stay in Europe after the MBA. IM recruitment is more local than IB/MC reruitment.

So, 1 year MBAs in Europe and I will apply to
Insead, Oxford, Cambridge, St Gallen
Insead: In my opinion the best non-US programme and rivals with M7 bschools.
Oxbridge : excellent brand, near from London to network in IM
St Gallen : excellent brand in German speaking countries

What about LBS, IMD, Esade, RSM, HEC, etc.. ?
Fit issues. Too long, too expensive (LBS), too industry oriented (IMD), too country specific, etc..I will consider them if dinged by all four above.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2008, 08:12
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After months weighting the pros and cons, I have finally decided what I want to do and where I will apply.

First, my profile:

29 yrs old - French
4 yr business program in the Netherlands (taught in English) – Not the best, but not the crappiest college
6 years WE (3 jobs) in finance/administration/accounting - 3 years in Germany - 3 in Ireland - Entire WE in the technology sector
Native French - Fluent English and German - average Dutch
Gmat 710 (Q48 - V39) - may retake in september
Area of interest: IM - I will take CFA level 1 in June 09

I originally considered applying to top US MBAs. But I have changed my mind. At my age I don't feel like doing a 2 year program, especially on another continent. I would like to stay in Europe after the MBA. IM recruitment is more local than IB/MC reruitment.

So, 1 year MBAs in Europe and I will apply to
Insead, Oxford, Cambridge, St Gallen
Insead: In my opinion the best non-US programme and rivals with M7 bschools.
Oxbridge : excellent brand, near from London to network in IM
St Gallen : excellent brand in German speaking countries

What about LBS, IMD, Esade, RSM, HEC, etc.. ?
Fit issues. Too long, too expensive (LBS), too industry oriented (IMD), too country specific, etc..I will consider them if dinged by all four above.


It looks like you have a good plan. The research phase definitely takes some time, but it's very important. Also, if you haven't visited the schools yet or sat in on classes, then I would recommend that. You want to get a feel for not only the learning environment, but also the living environment. I visited Oxford, Cambridge and LBS last year and while I liked the learning environments, I just didn't care for the living environments.

Although I didn't visit INSEAD, I knew that their global brand is very powerful and planned to apply there. Instead, I was accepted to St. Gallen before submitting INSEAD's application and just decided not to bother with it anymore. I want to work in Switzerland post-MBA and use my German language skills, so it makes sense to attend HSG. Although, with an INSEAD MBA, not only Switzerland would be feasible, but practically anywhere in the world. Part of my decision not to pursue INSEAD further really boiled down to whether or not I wanted to learn French and live in France vs. already knowing German and living in the Swiss Alps. I like to snowboard :) Another personal circumstance was St. Gallen's proximity to home. Unfortunately, my family won't be able to join me while I study; so, I want to be close to them as possible, but at a good program nevertheless.

I will be starting my MBA St. Gallen in just over a week, so if you have any questions about the program, I can answer them as the year goes on.
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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2008, 06:18
Thanks for the feedback.

I visited HEC and Insead last year. I might visit Oxbridge in October. R1 for Oxford is in late October so I may have time to visit before the deadline. Cambridge R1 deadline is before that, but it does not matter as I will apply there in R2.

Visiting St Gallen: definitly would take a campus interview if invited, but I don't think I'll visit before that. R1 deadline is in December, so I can focus on the other applications. I'll probably contact you in November. Let me know about your experience at St Gallen. I'd love to hear more about it from a student. :)

What I don't like about HEC: the MBA is not as well rated as the standard HEC programme. However, I may apply there as a back up and take advantage of the exchange programme (which takes place at the final term of the MBA) with LBS: avoid LBS tuition fee (HEC is much cheaper) , but benefit from the career service/location to find employment once there. Living 4 month in London wouldn't hurt my wallet that much.

Other possible back-ups: Trinity and Smurfit in Dublin. They are not as well ranked (gmat averages at +- 630 don't help), but I wouldn't mind staying in Ireland and there are probably good opportunities in Dublin for IM.

Thanks again

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Re: Europe MBA Discussion [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2008, 02:58
Hi Lumone,


Good to see that you did your homework regarding B-school application. Your choice of schools is excellent, but maybe you should also consider other arguments:

HSG St. Gallen is a very famous school in Europe comparable to LSE, BUT its MBA programme is not very well-known outside of Switzerland. Even in Switzerland, IMD is much more respected by recruiters than other European MBA programmes.

Oxbridge is excellent and a true rival to LBS, although I think that both schools benefit from their old school tradition. In my opinion LBS is still the best school for finance and MC in Europe. Although LBS is very expensive, you have the chance to earn an impressive compensation during internships and business projects.

INSEAD is also an excellent school, but quite short with 10 months (so is IMD BTW). Therefore I did not apply to INSEAD. However, I would still prefer LBS to INSEAD, but this is only a personal preference.

For backup I would also consider Cranfield and Imperial College, if you want to work in UK or IESE / ESADE, if you don't mind being in Spain.

HEC is also excellent. Regarding HEC's exchange, there is unfortunately only a limited number of seats for LBS exchangers, sogetting into LBS will be quite competitive. On the other hand you can also apply for dual degree with LSE or NYU Stern, but this programme lasts nearly 21 months.

Good luck for your applications!

Cheers,

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Thanks for the feedback.

I visited HEC and Insead last year. I might visit Oxbridge in October. R1 for Oxford is in late October so I may have time to visit before the deadline. Cambridge R1 deadline is before that, but it does not matter as I will apply there in R2.

Visiting St Gallen: definitly would take a campus interview if invited, but I don't think I'll visit before that. R1 deadline is in December, so I can focus on the other applications. I'll probably contact you in November. Let me know about your experience at St Gallen. I'd love to hear more about it from a student. :)

What I don't like about HEC: the MBA is not as well rated as the standard HEC programme. However, I may apply there as a back up and take advantage of the exchange programme (which takes place at the final term of the MBA) with LBS: avoid LBS tuition fee (HEC is much cheaper) , but benefit from the career service/location to find employment once there. Living 4 month in London wouldn't hurt my wallet that much.

Other possible back-ups: Trinity and Smurfit in Dublin. They are not as well ranked (gmat averages at +- 630 don't help), but I wouldn't mind staying in Ireland and there are probably good opportunities in Dublin for IM.

Thanks again

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