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Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.

(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2009, 12:56
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Just as a FYI, this is from 1000SC, which in turn pulled it from an UNOFFICIAL source. It's from a 1983 Time article. See here:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 99,00.html

The word "even" makes this sentence very suspect. Very un-GMAT like. Seems unlikely to me that it's even grammatically correct.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2008, 09:35
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279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?



the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them...............the Crusaders who overran their homeland

D and E out of qtn

A, B and C have "they never forgave" so put them in the sentence

the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them...............as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland

Comparison of actions...Use "as"

hence not C
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2008, 11:47
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279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?


A. C is wrong because "just like" is never correct to compare the clauses...
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2008, 19:31
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279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?


1.In my note, "never" should be used in present perfect tense, so I rule out A and B
2. I choose E to avoid using wrong "never'

Is it E the winner?
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2008, 22:55
just like is never used to compare clause.

E - has severe pronoun reference issue. 'their' is the objective form of 'they'.
in the second clause 'syrians' is the subject. so 'they' should be used to refer them properly.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2008, 23:00
Correction: their - possesive form of subject. 'Syrians'
So it can never properly refer back the subject.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2008, 01:14
Guys, what do you say about "their" in this sentence? Can it refer back to retailers?:

Reporting that one of their many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailers said they would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of their stores

(Verbal review 11: 49)
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2008, 13:44
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Guys, what do you say about "their" in this sentence? Can it refer back to retailers?:

Reporting that one of their many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel , the seven-store retailers said they would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of their stores

(Verbal review 11: 49)

The whole clause (in bold) is modifying "retailers". "their" refers to "retailers" as well.

Answer to the question should be A, IMO.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2008, 01:04
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OA is A!
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lgon wrote:
279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?



the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them...............the Crusaders who overran their homeland

D and E out of qtn

A, B and C have "they never forgave" so put them in the sentence

the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them...............as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland

Comparison of actions...Use "as"

hence not C
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2008, 11:24
lgon wrote:
279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?


I think B is correct

C is wrong because like isn't comparing like things here
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2008, 22:45
A is the right choice.
Like is always used to compare nouns. so C cant be right. While comparing actions ,as should be used.Hence A
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279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 07:46
Why B is not correct ?

IN C , is Even required in the sentence? does it not make the sentence wordy ?.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 08:28
OA - A

Like can never be used to compare clauses.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 12:20
I dont think the answer can be A. The use of the word "Even" makes the entire sentence grammatically incorrect. The answer cannot be choices D, C and E either. If I really had to pick an answer I would go with B. Frankly speaking, even B doesn't sound like the correct answer but it definitely more logical than A.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 13:38
I have the same question. Why B is not correct?
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 18:12
In both clauses syrians do not forgive since absolve holds a similar meaning. Hence even makes the sentence confusing ? Shouldn't it introduce a contradiction between the two clauses ? Also what about preterit usage with never ?

I would have gone for D since to me the two clauses have to hold a similar meaning (of not forgiving)
It left me with only C and D, C being out since to me never should be used with a present perfect.

But seems I have it all wrong ...
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 20:07
only A is correct ... As other options dont even make a meaning logically .
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 22:12
I will try to answer this question as i did.

Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Should not the answer be C? What is wrong in C?
(A) Even as they never forgavecorrect
(B) While they never forgave eliminated because of while
(C) Just like they never forgave.....Just like is wrong on GMATJust like is wrong on GMAT
(D) Similarly to not forgiving.........Subject is missing to refer to syrians
(E) In spite of their never forgiving bjective pronoun can not refer to subject.+construction is awkward
I was left between A and B.eliminated B because while refers to a certain time frame but no such indication is given in the sentence.

Please let me know if i am wrong and help mke out.
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Re: Even as they never forgave [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2010, 07:42
"like" is used only to compare nouns. We cannot use 'like' to compare clauses/actions.

"As" is used for comparing actions.

A is best here.
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