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 [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2006, 20:37
I just learnt from my friends that these questions are from Barrons. :roll:
So, now it's individual decision, how seriously one wants to take it.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2006, 03:32
vivek123 wrote:
I just learnt from my friends that these questions are from Barrons. :roll:
So, now it's individual decision, how seriously one wants to take it.


Barrons is shit. :evil:
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2006, 04:00
M8 wrote:

Barrons is *deleted*. :evil:



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 [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2006, 06:20
I'm not at home, so I cannot confirm 100% it is barron, but actually it should be so, sorry!

Nevertheless, few of you now cofirm Q1. B. I still don't understand why, since you can use after "without" a noun.

e.g: I went out wihout him.
I went on hollydays without my dog.

Is that right? So why "without his help" shouldnt be correct?
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2006, 06:41
Karlfurt,
I too still could not figure out complete explanation for question 1.

Question 1 - "Everyone of us have understood that without him helping us
we would not have succeeded in our program over the past six months"
I agree that "him" is wrong. But, I feel that "his" is also wrong.
Either "without he helping us" or "without his helping (no us)" seem right.
"helping" is a verb here and not gerund because of predicate "us" and how can a possessive noun perform any action??? Comments pleaaaasee..... :?:
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2006, 12:26
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Karlfurt,
I too still could not figure out complete explanation for question 1.

Question 1 - "Everyone of us have understood that without him helping us
we would not have succeeded in our program over the past six months"
I agree that "him" is wrong. But, I feel that "his" is also wrong.
Either "without he helping us" or "without his helping (no us)" seem right.
"helping" is a verb here and not gerund because of predicate "us" and how can a possessive noun perform any action??? Comments pleaaaasee..... :?:



"helping" is a gerund -so a noun- here. and it is correct to use it after "his"
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2006, 12:38
Selene : "helping" is a gerund -so a noun- here. and it is correct to use it after "his"



Why not....but why not just using "his help". If the gerund is use like a noun, isnt it better to directly use the noun "help". Why make it complicate when it could be simple?
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2006, 14:51
M8 wrote:
vivek123 wrote:
I just learnt from my friends that these questions are from Barrons. :roll:
So, now it's individual decision, how seriously one wants to take it.

Barrons is *deleted*. :evil:

in light of latest gmat materials (OGS), discussions forums (GMAT club) and you excellent guys' explanation, i donot see Barrons anywhere.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2006, 01:08
I don't understand. Why is it not D for question 2? Whats the meaning of passive?
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2006, 18:58
for 2nd sentence

A ruled out who was cowering?
B still ambiguous
C ambiguous
D sounds correct
E no comma before who, ambiguous
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2006, 12:38
karlfurt wrote:
Selene : "helping" is a gerund -so a noun- here. and it is correct to use it after "his"



Why not....but why not just using "his help". If the gerund is use like a noun, isnt it better to directly use the noun "help". Why make it complicate when it could be simple?


It is not "his help". it is "his helping" and "him helping" is a better usage..
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2006, 15:35
First one:

Everyone / every single one is singular and therefore the verb needs to be in singular. Eliminates A, C, and E.

B – “his helping usâ€
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2006, 15:47
wow... wrong on both... haha..

Q1: makes sense now... although I'm having a hard time grasping the concept

Q2: I still vote for E. In C, it is a little unclear who "cowering..." modifies.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2006, 18:27
We should consider the construction "his helping us" as a whole.
"his help" makes sense
"he helping us" makes sense
"his help to us" makes sense
"his helping" (without us) makes sense

but not his helping us....
his <noun> us does not make sense at all...
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