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(A) its many difficulties had been the recent
(B) its many difficulties has been the recently
(C) its many difficulties is the recently
(D) their many difficulties is the recent
(E) their many difficulties had been the recent
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 16 Dec 2012, 07:16
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Now the question sounds tough: A vs B.
No idea how to choose between these two. Shall be blessed if any expert intervenes.
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 16 Dec 2012, 07:33
As permy understanding,
one way where u make out to B is that since said is a simple past and u need a past perfect to inidicate two past events.

Take away:
When two simultaneous events are happening use the same tense .

in option A has been is a present perfect and said is a simple past which makes no sense
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 01:07
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


its many difficulties had been the recent
its many difficulties has been the recently
its many difficulties is the recently
their many difficulties is the recent
their many difficulties had been the recent

Can any1 explain me why recently cant modify growing injury list??Wil be realy thankful


This speaks about recent list right?
why cant be C?

Even C "recently" adverb modifies "growing"

IMO C.
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 01:23
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C is not correct because it changes the tense.
In the later part of the sentence, it is mentioned that minor league "said" it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.
So it is perhaps AFTER the has ALREADY started growing.
Since "is" describes a present situation, it implies that After the league said "......" then only the list is growing.
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


its many difficulties had been the recent
its many difficulties has been the recently
its many difficulties is the recently
their many difficulties is the recent
their many difficulties had been the recent

Can any1 explain me why recently cant modify growing injury list??Wil be realy thankful


Blatant rip off of a MGMAT question I was pretty familiar with.
Here is my take on it.
Recent Vs Recently
As Marcab pointed out, recent=adjective and recently=adverb.
An adjective can modify ONLY a noun and an adverb can modify verbs/adjectives but NEVER anoun.
So recently can ONLY modify the participle (adjective) "growing". So recently means that it has started growing soon.
But its not true is it?
Recent is referred to mean that the injuries happened in the near past. So recent is used to modify injuries.
Its similar to saying,
I ate a delicious large donut as opposed to I ate a deliciously large donut.
The second one is just weird isn't it?
So recent>> recently!

Has been the recent Vs Had been the recent
What do we know about past perfect tense? A perfect tense establishes a timeline in which the action which is mentioned in perfect tense occurs BEFORE the action mentioned in the simple past tense. So for the existence of a perfect tense, THERE MUST BE a simple past tense lying around.

Now lets look at the other verb and its tense.
The baseball team said it would....
So now if we use past perfect tense we establish the timeline as:

At a certain time: Injuries starts to happen.
sometime later: the baseball team acknowledges and says that it will take action.

this is perfect.
Now if we would have used present perfect tense, it establishes a timeline such that the action mentioned by the present perfect occured in the past and is still going on. So the time line becomes weird here as there is a sense that the baseball team said that they would they would take actions even before the injuries started to happen.
Now that is not acceptable now is it?
The past perfect tense establishes a perfect timeline while the present perfect does not.

So had been it is.
Now take a bow Choice A. You win!
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 04:06
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


its many difficulties had been the recent
its many difficulties has been the recently
its many difficulties is the recently
their many difficulties is the recent
their many difficulties had been the recent

Can any1 explain me why recently cant modify growing injury list??Wil be realy thankful


'recently' is the adverb which modifies adj 'growing' that in turn modifies the noun 'injury list' . if you use recent , then both recent and growing will incorrectly modify injury list.hence options A,D,E are ruled out. Between B and C .
The present prefect tense is preferred since the action started in the past and continues into the present--THIS is indicated when the team said 'recently growing'-indicating a problem which started out in the past and is still persistent Vs past prefect tense that indicates that the problem existed at some point in the past and why would the team take a step to solve the problem in the future if is existed only in the past, it doesn't make sense. so it B.
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 04:08
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


its many difficulties had been the recent
its many difficulties has been the recently
its many difficulties is the recently
their many difficulties is the recent
their many difficulties had been the recent

Can any1 explain me why recently cant modify growing injury list??Wil be realy thankful


Blatant rip off of a MGMAT question I was pretty familiar with.
Here is my take on it.
Recent Vs Recently
As Marcab pointed out, recent=adjective and recently=adverb.
An adjective can modify ONLY a noun and an adverb can modify verbs/adjectives but NEVER anoun.
So recently can ONLY modify the participle (adjective) "growing". So recently means that it has started growing soon.
But its not true is it?
Recent is referred to mean that the injuries happened in the near past. So recent is used to modify injuries.
Its similar to saying,
I ate a delicious large donut as opposed to I ate a deliciously large donut.
The second one is just weird isn't it?
So recent>> recently!

Has been the recent Vs Had been the recent
What do we know about past perfect tense? A perfect tense establishes a timeline in which the action which is mentioned in perfect tense occurs BEFORE the action mentioned in the simple past tense. So for the existence of a perfect tense, THERE MUST BE a simple past tense lying around.

Now lets look at the other verb and its tense.
The baseball team said it would....
So now if we use past perfect tense we establish the timeline as:

At a certain time: Injuries starts to happen.
sometime later: the baseball team acknowledges and says that it will take action.

this is perfect.
Now if we would have used present perfect tense, it establishes a timeline such that the action mentioned by the present perfect occured in the past and is still going on. So the time line becomes weird here as there is a possibility that the baseball team said that they would they would take actions even before the injuries started to happen.
This confusion occurs because with a present perfect and a simple past there is NO concrete timeline possible.
Now that is not acceptable now is it?
The past perfect tense establishes a perfect timeline while the present perfect does not.

So had been it is.
Now take a bow Choice A. You win!
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 04:28
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


its many difficulties had been the recent
its many difficulties has been the recently
its many difficulties is the recently
their many difficulties is the recent
their many difficulties had been the recent

Can any1 explain me why recently cant modify growing injury list??Wil be realy thankful


Hii Souvik.
Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list.......!
If we stop here and ask ourselves WHAT IS RECENT, then the answer will be GROWING INJURY LIST. Doesn't it means that among several growing lists, we are concerned with the recent one.
Though I am convinced about "had been" in A, I am yet to be relaxed over this question.
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


A-its many difficulties had been the recent
B-its many difficulties has been the recently
C-its many difficulties is the recently
D-their many difficulties is the recent
E-their many difficulties had been the recent
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 04:59
The question is similar to :-

Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women’s apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three month liquidation sale in all of its stores.
(A) its many problems had been the recent
(B) its many problems has been the recently
(C) its many problems is the recently
(D) their many problems is the recent
(E) their many problems had been the recent

OA :A

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Here the adjectives recent and extended both modify sales slump (noun) and the term 'recent' signals that the sales slump was there in the recent past but no longer going on and 'reporting' in the beginning of the sentence also signals that so its past perfect tense .

But for the statement in question, the word is recently and not recent and even if we assume that {recent=a event that took place in the past and is now over }then how can a recent (past) list still be growing?? Need an expert reply to clarify
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 06:43
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


its many difficulties had been the recent
its many difficulties has been the recently
its many difficulties is the recently
their many difficulties is the recent
their many difficulties had been the recent

Can any1 explain me why recently cant modify growing injury list??Wil be realy thankful


Hii Souvik.
Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list.......!
If we stop here and ask ourselves WHAT IS RECENT, then the answer will be GROWING INJURY LIST. Doesn't it means that among several growing lists, we are concerned with the recent one.
Though I am convinced about "had been" in A, I am yet to be relaxed over this question.


not sure what you mean by several growing lists.
I think that it means that the team is concerned with the increased number of injuries in the recent past.
You know its really weird to answer questions that are rewritten from a basic mold. Its much better to use the original MGMAT question i guess.
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yeah seriously the original question was much prettier to look at.
I will move on from here.
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Re: Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2012, 13:36
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


Meaning Analysis:

The recent growing injury list had been the one of the many difficulties of the minor league baseball team. So it said that it would start a search for better physical trainers and physicians.

Error Analysis:

• Singular pronoun “its” correctly refers to its singular antecedent “the minor league baseball team”.
• “The stated problems” existed before the team decided to do something about it. In fact, there is a causal relationship here. Since the team found this problem of recent growing injury list among startling players, he decided to begin a month-long search. ‘reported’ about it.Hence, use of past perfect tense for describing “one of its many difficulties” is correct. It correctly shows the sequencing of the events in the sentence.
• Adjective “recent” correctly modifies noun “injury list”. Notice here that both “recent” and “growing” are adjectives for the noun “injury list”. The “injury list” is recent and it has been growing.
No errors.

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A. its many difficulties had been the recent: Correct for reasons stated above.

B. its many difficulties has been the recently: Incorrect.
1. The difficulty occurred before the team took an action and “said that it would start a search””. Present perfect tense suggests problems happened after “said”. This sequencing is incorrect.Thus, past perfect tense is required here.
2. There is a difference between the meanings of “recent” and “recently”. “recent growing injury list” means the injury list is recent and it is growing. “recently growing injury list” that the list has started growing very recently. Per the original sentence, it is the “recent injury list”. Hence use of “recently” is incorrect.

C. its many difficulties is the recently: Inocrrect.
1. Same “recently” error as in choice B.
2. Simple present tense “is” suggests that the problems occurred after the retailer “said”. This verb sequencing is wrong.Same verb tense error as in choice B.

D. their many difficulties is the recent: Incorrect.
1. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree with singular antecedent “team”.
2. Simple present tense “is” suggests that the problems occurred after the retailer “said”. This verb sequencing is wrong.Same verb tense error as in Choice B.

E. their many difficulties had been the recent: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree with singular antecedent “team”.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Re: Please explain this SC question [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2012, 03:48
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Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


A-its many difficulties had been the recent
B-its many difficulties has been the recently
C-its many difficulties is the recently
D-their many difficulties is the recent
E-their many difficulties had been the recent


Hi,

I think the answer is A

The sentence demands a past perfect construction. A past perfect construction involves more than one action occurring in a sentence at different times in the past. In such a case, the past perfect is used for the earlier action and the simple past is used for the later action.

In the sentence, the baseball league "said" it would start something. Now, "Said" is in the simple past tense form. This means that the baseball league said what it did sometime in the past. The "difficulties faced" would've happened even before the time the baseball team said something about it. Therefore

"its many difficulties had been" is the correct usage.


Furthermore, the adjective "recent" modifies the gerund phrase "growing injury" correctly.
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Re: Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2012, 07:24
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Hi All,

Explaining that one of its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list among starting players, the minor league baseball team said it would start a month-long search for better physical trainers and physicians.


Meaning Analysis:

The recent growing injury list had been the one of the many difficulties of the minor league baseball team. So it said that it would start a search for better physical trainers and physicians.

Error Analysis:

• Singular pronoun “its” correctly refers to its singular antecedent “the minor league baseball team”.
• “The stated problems” existed before the team decided to do something about it. In fact, there is a causal relationship here. Since the team found this problem of recent growing injury list among startling players, he decided to begin a month-long search. ‘reported’ about it.Hence, use of past perfect tense for describing “one of its many difficulties” is correct. It correctly shows the sequencing of the events in the sentence.
• Adjective “recent” correctly modifies noun “injury list”. Notice here that both “recent” and “growing” are adjectives for the noun “injury list”. The “injury list” is recent and it has been growing.
No errors.

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A. its many difficulties had been the recent: Correct for reasons stated above.

B. its many difficulties has been the recently: Incorrect.
1. The difficulty occurred before the team took an action and “said that it would start a search””. Present perfect tense suggests problems happened after “said”. This sequencing is incorrect.Thus, past perfect tense is required here.
2. There is a difference between the meanings of “recent” and “recently”. “recent growing injury list” means the injury list is recent and it is growing. “recently growing injury list” that the list has started growing very recently. Per the original sentence, it is the “recent injury list”. Hence use of “recently” is incorrect.

C. its many difficulties is the recently: Inocrrect.
1. Same “recently” error as in choice B.
2. Simple present tense “is” suggests that the problems occurred after the retailer “said”. This verb sequencing is wrong.Same verb tense error as in choice B.

D. their many difficulties is the recent: Incorrect.
1. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree with singular antecedent “team”.
2. Simple present tense “is” suggests that the problems occurred after the retailer “said”. This verb sequencing is wrong.Same verb tense error as in Choice B.

E. their many difficulties had been the recent: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree with singular antecedent “team”.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi Shraddha,

my doubt was how can a recent (Of the immediate past or just previous to the present time) thing still be growing??
its many difficulties had been the recent growing injury list
So I did not choose past perfect tense is option A
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Re: Explaining that one of its many [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2012, 12:17
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I'm going to side with dentobizz on this one (see below). It would certainly help if we had an OA, but if the answer is supposed to be A, as it seems to be in the other thread I can find, then I don't think the problem is valid. We can have a "recent extended sales slump," but not a "recent growing injury list." If we want to say we have a "recent injury list," what purpose does "growing" serve at that point? The sentence only makes sense if we say that the list is "recently growing."

As for the past perfect, it's true that the problem began before the team made the announcement. Therefore, technically, we might get away with the past perfect. However, we typically use past perfect to emphasize the relationships of different events in time. We don't need to emphasize here that the problem was going on before the announcement--that's clear from the context, and as dentobizz says, we certainly don't want to imply that the problem is over.

The only reasonable objection someone might make to B is that it uses the present perfect in conjunction with the simple past. However, if the team recently made the announcement, and the problem is still ongoing, then the present perfect makes sense, and it's certainly better than the simple present in C.

Of course, D&E are out because of "their."

dentobizz wrote:

'recently' is the adverb which modifies adj 'growing' that in turn modifies the noun 'injury list' . if you use recent , then both recent and growing will incorrectly modify injury list.hence options A,D,E are ruled out. Between B and C .
The present prefect tense is preferred since the action started in the past and continues into the present--THIS is indicated when the team said 'recently growing'-indicating a problem which started out in the past and is still persistent Vs past prefect tense that indicates that the problem existed at some point in the past and why would the team take a step to solve the problem in the future if is existed only in the past, it doesn't make sense. so it B.

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