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22 Feb 2009, 03:14
Like their male counterparts, women scientists are above average in terms of intelligence and creativity, but unlike men of science, their female counterparts have had to work against the grain of occupational stereotyping to enter a "man's world."
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2. their problem is working
3 one thing they have had to do is work
4 the handicap women of science have had is to work
5 women of science have had to work
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22 Feb 2009, 03:19
I think its E or 5.
women of science have had to work
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22 Feb 2009, 03:22
what's wrong with the original sentence.
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22 Feb 2009, 03:38
May be 5th option seems to be more parallel in structure.

Whats the right answer??
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22 Feb 2009, 05:05
Answer is 5th option, but i dont see anything wrong with the original sentence.
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22 Feb 2009, 06:23
ga wrote:
Like their male counterparts, women scientists are above average in terms of intelligence and creativity, but unlike men of science, their female counterparts have had to work against the grain of occupational stereotyping to enter a "man's world."
1.
2. their problem is working
3 one thing they have had to do is work
4 the handicap women of science have had is to work
5 women of science have had to work

Original sentence may not be incorrect, but choice 5/E uses a clear noun. Hence is a better choice.
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22 Feb 2009, 06:50
ga wrote:
Answer is 5th option, but i dont see anything wrong with the original sentence.

Hi ga,

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Option A is wrong because the correct idiom is Unlike X, Y.

Here X is men of science, so Y cannot be their female counterparts.

It has to be X = men of science & Y = women of science
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Hope that helps.

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22 Feb 2009, 08:13
Technext wrote:
ga wrote:
Answer is 5th option, but i dont see anything wrong with the original sentence.

Hi ga,

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Option A is wrong because the correct idiom is Unlike X, Y.

Here X is men of science, so Y cannot be their female counterparts.

It has to be X = men of science & Y = women of science
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their counterparts mean women counterparts. So, I don't think A is a wrong construction.
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22 Feb 2009, 09:33
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Technext wrote:
ga wrote:
Answer is 5th option, but i dont see anything wrong with the original sentence.

Hi ga,

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Option A is wrong because the correct idiom is Unlike X, Y.

Here X is men of science, so Y cannot be their female counterparts.

It has to be X = men of science & Y = women of science
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Hope that helps.

Regards,
Technext

their counterparts mean women counterparts. So, I don't think A is a wrong construction.

Hi sanjay_gmat,

Even if we assume it as a correct structure, it will not be the GMATically correct answer choice because we have to choose the best from the available options.

GMAT says clearly that:
"A correct sentence is grammatically and structurally sound. It conforms to all the rules of standard written English; e.g., noun-verb agreement, pronoun consistency, pronoun case, and verb tense sequence. A correct sentence will not have dangling, misplaced, or improperly formed modifiers; unidiomatic or inconsistent expressions; or faults in parallel construction."

So, I found option A incorrect as it's using an incorrect idiomatic expression. Moreover, IMO, it also breaks parallelism.

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22 Feb 2009, 11:38
Dont we also have a pronoun ambiguity with their?

their could refer to men of science and women scientists?? Doesn't it?
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22 Feb 2009, 13:25
icandy wrote:
Dont we also have a pronoun ambiguity with their?

their could refer to men of science and women scientists?? Doesn't it?

Hi icandy,

As far as my understanding goes, there is no pronoun ambiguity with the use of word their (if you're referring to the word present in underlined portion). I'm saying so because this pronoun refers to the nearest noun/noun phrase (here men of science).

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icandy wrote:
Dont we also have a pronoun ambiguity with their?

their could refer to men of science and women scientists?? Doesn't it?

Hi icandy,

As far as my understanding goes, there is no pronoun ambiguity with the use of word their (if you're referring to the word present in underlined portion). I'm saying so because this pronoun refers to the nearest noun/noun phrase (here men of science).

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Oh No! You are shattering my understanding of pronoun ambiguity. Are you sure that proximity will determine ambiguity irrespective of whether there are 2 plural nouns and a single pronoun?
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22 Feb 2009, 14:00
>>> Oh No! You are shattering my understanding of pronoun ambiguity.
---> Believe me, I have no such intentions of shattering your understanding of pronoun ambiguity. It's just my view.

>>> Are you sure that proximity will determine ambiguity irrespective of whether there are 2 plural nouns and a single pronoun?
---> What you are saying is extreme. I didn't mean that!

I think my sentence might need some rephrasing but all I want to say here is that their (in the underlined portion) doesn't look ambiguous to me. IMO, it refers to men of science.

Let's wait and see what others have to say about this issue.
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22 Feb 2009, 14:03
TechNext,

I guess I got carried away. you know! that moment of panic! Lets see what others have to say.

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22 Feb 2009, 15:19
Clearly E.
We are after a clear and coherent "unlike X, Y" construction.
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Like their male counterparts, women scientists are above average in terms of intelligence and creativity, but unlike men of science, their female counterparts have had to work against the grain of occupational stereotyping to enter a "man's world."
1.their female counterparts have had to work the object of a phrase (in red) is "counterparts" - it should be "women"; it is redundant in the first place - "women of science" is the most effective way to convey the intended meaning
2. their problem is working
3 one thing they have had to do is work
4 the handicap women of science have had is to work
5 women of science have had to work
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22 Feb 2009, 16:00
My Pick is E....their is confusing for me....it is not clear whom it is referring to.....
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23 Feb 2009, 23:30
Imo E..
Hi.. There is no question of proximity w.r.t pronouns .. Its only with modifiers..

However even I chose with element of doubt..
My doubt here is had..

Where is two actions in sequence happening. !!?? Verb tense ambiguity in E.. Had is there but only oneaction !!..

Pls throw some light..
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24 Feb 2009, 00:49
I chose E bcos of paralleism and correct comparison.
Unlike men of science......women of science....
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Like their male counterparts, women scientists are above average in terms of intelligence and creativity, but unlike men of science, their female counterparts have had to work against the grain of occupational stereotyping to enter a "man's world."
1.
2. their problem is working
3 one thing they have had to do is work
4 the handicap women of science have had is to work
5 women of science have had to work
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