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Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0 [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2013, 21:52
Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0

I know the answer after seeing the explanation but it's hard just to come up with it.

Anyone??? :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Simple factorization

5x^2-14x-24=0

5x^2-20x+6x-24=0

5x(x-4)+6(x-4)=0

(5x+6)(x-4)=0

x=\frac{-5}{6} or x=4

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Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0

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Re: Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0 [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2013, 22:33
Very Great man!! But how could you come up with the 2nd step of 5X^2-20X+6X-24=0.... I don't know how :roll:
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Re: Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0 [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2013, 23:37
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Very Great man!! But how could you come up with the 2nd step of 5X^2-20X+6X-24=0.... I don't know how :roll:


Multiply the coefficient of x^2 (5) and the constant value (24).

You get 120.

Now we need two numbers whose sum or difference is the coefficient of x (14) and whose product is 120.

24 and 5 wont work (24+5=29 and 24-5=19)
20 and 6 work
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Re: Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0 [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2013, 09:04
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Very Great man!! But how could you come up with the 2nd step of 5X^2-20X+6X-24=0.... I don't know how :roll:

if you are facing difficulty finding factors, you can use the following formula to solve for x....
For ax2 + bx + c = 0, the value of x is given by:
x =-b ± \sqrt{(b^2 - 4ac)} / 2a

This formula is for quadratic expressions only

read this page once: http://www.purplemath.com/modules/quadform.htm
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Re: Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0 [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2013, 10:29
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Very Great man!! But how could you come up with the 2nd step of 5X^2-20X+6X-24=0.... I don't know how :roll:

if you are facing difficulty finding factors, you can use the following formula to solve for x....
For ax2 + bx + c = 0, the value of x is given by:
x =-b ± \sqrt{(b^2 - 4ac)} / 2a

This formula is for quadratic expressions only


This is how I solve these types of questions:

5x^2 - 14x -24=0

we need to break 14 in two numbers whose sum is -14 and multiplication is 5*24.

so break 5*24 = 5* 24 = 10 * 12 (won't work)

5*24 = 20*6 = yes this work if we have -20 and +6.

so we have

5x^2 -20x +6x -24=0

5x(x-4) +6 (x-4)=0
(x-4)(5x+6)=0

x = 4 , -6/5
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Re: Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0 [#permalink] New post 25 Nov 2013, 21:00
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Find X when 5X^2-14X-24=0

I know the answer after seeing the explanation but it's hard just to come up with it.

Anyone??? :roll: :roll: :roll:


I am putting down my discussion on this topic from another post. This should help you get a handle on solving quadratics.

Whenever you have a quadratic that you need to factor, you will almost always get two integral roots (in GMAT). If I am looking at a GMAT question and am unable to find the factors, I will go back and check my quadratic to see if it is correct rather than try to use the formula... I would be that sure of not needing to use it!

It is just about a little bit of practice. I assume you know that you need to find the factors that add up to give the middle term and multiply to give the product of the constant term and co-efficient of x^2. What you may have problems with is splitting the middle term.

e.g. 5x^2-34x+24
If you need to factorize it, you need find two numbers a and b such that:

a + b = -34

a*b = 5*24

Step 1: Prime factorize the product.
a*b = 2*2*2*3*5

Step 2: Check the signs and decide what you need. Here sum is -ve while product is positive. This means a and b both are negative. Both will add to give a negative number and multiply to give a positive number. It also means that a and b both are smaller than 34 (since they will add up to give 34. If one of them were negative and other positive, one number would have been greater than 34. In that case, the product would have been negative.)

Step 3: Try to split the prime numbers into two groups such that their sum is 34. Try the most obvious group first i.e.
2*2*2 and 3*5 ---- 8 and 15 add up to give 23.
But you need 34, i.e. a number greater than 23.

Before we discuss the next step, let me explain one thing:
Let's say we have 2*2*5*5.. I split it into 2 groups 2*5 and 2*5 (10 and 10). Their sum is 20.
I split in in another way 2*2 and 5*5 (4 and 25). Their sum is 29. The sum increased.
I split in in another way 2 and 2*5*5 (2 and 50). Their sum is 52. The sum increased again.

Notice that farther apart the numbers are, the greater is their sum. We get the least sum (20) when the numbers are equal.

Going back to the original question, 8+15 gave us a sum of 23. We need 34 so we need to get the numbers farther from each other but not too far either. Let's say, I pick a 2 from 8 and give it to 15. I get two numbers 4 and 30. They are farther apart and their sum is 34. So the numbers we are looking for are -4 and -30 (to get -34 as sum)

Taking another example: 8x^2 - 47x - 63

a + b = -47
a*b = 8*(-63) = - 2*2*2*3*3*7

One of a and b is negative since the product is negative. So one of a and b is greater than 47.
I split the primes into two groups: 2*2*2 and 3*3*7 to get 8 and 63 but 63 - 8 = 55. We need to go lower than 55 so we need to get the numbers closer together. 63 is way greater than 8.
Take off a 3 from 63 and give it to 8 to get 21 and 24. Too close.
Rather take off 7 from 63 and give it to 8 to get 9 and 56. Now, 56 - 9 = 47 so you have your numbers as 56 and 9. The greater one has to be negative since the sum is negative so you split the middle term as: -56 and 9.

With a little bit of practice, the hardest questions can be easily solved. Now try this method on your own question.
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