Finishing Up the New Grad School Rankings

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Finishing Up the New Grad School Rankings
January 16, 2009 03:40 PM ET | Robert Morse

We're currently working hard on number crunching, validity checks, and data analysis in order to be able to produce the upcoming 2010 edition of our America's Best Graduate Schools rankings. The statistical and peer assessment data collection for business, law, engineering, medicine, education and the rest of the programs that are being ranked began in late October 2008 and is now complete. The 2010 edition will be published in April 2009 online at usnews.com.

What's will be new this time? For the 2010 edition, we're doing new peer-assessment-only rankings for Ph.D. programs in English, history, psychology, sociology, political science, economics, and criminology and criminal justice. In addition, we will be publishing new rankings for master's degree programs in library and information studies.

We also plan to publish our first-ever ranking of part-time J.D. law programs. This new ranking will evaluate the approximately 87 American Bar Association fully accredited law schools that offer a part-time law program. U.S. News has defined a part-time J.D. program as a law school that has a separate admission process for part-time law students and specific part-time J.D. program curriculum offerings.

Of course, as we have since 1990, we'll publish our regular law school rankings, which will cover all law schools. We'll also have new rankings in clinical training, dispute resolution, environmental law, healthcare law, intellectual property law, international law, legal writing, tax law, and trial advocacy.

Besides law, we'll continue to publish updated rankings in four other large graduate school disciplines: business, education, engineering, and medicine (as well as the various specialties associated with those disciplines).

Hmm...last year they came out in march. Oh the waiting sucks.

Any early bets on the biggest movers?

I'm thinking Darden will move up some. They have been pushing hard to get back into the Top 10. I also think Georgetown will move up. They've been slipping in the other rankings, but they are planning to open a new facility soon that should push them up I would think.

Thoughts?

Emory (24 last year) and Duke (14 last year) or Yale (13 last year) seem to me to be decent bets to move up.

Schools Emory could pass: G-Town and Az St. tied for #22, USC #21, Indiana #20. Not saying they will pass by all four of those schools, but I would guess they nudge up a spot or two bc 24 seems a bit low and they have implemented some new curriculum which is apparently a big hit.

Schools Duke could pass: Currently tied with Cornell, Yale #13, Ross #12, UCLA #11. I just expect Duke to trend closer to top 10 status, as they used to be, in the coming years so figure this might be a year they move up a spot or 2. More just a hunch than anything.

Schools Yale could pass: Ross #12, UCLA #11, maybe even NYU #10. Yale really pumped up the GMAT score and seems to be making a push for top 10ish status. Do we think NYU's placement stats have been affected at all this past year? I'm not sure, but its possible.

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icon has extremely good taste in bschool and he is a visionary in my opinion. Ahem...

I don't think there will be any change in the top 9.

I think you'll see Yale jump ahead of UCLA and Ross to be even with NYU and Duke pull slightly ahead of Darden and Cornell. I agree that Yale has been working hard to get into top 10 and I think it'll pay off. I think Duke has also brought up its GMAT scores and will get closer to top 10.

Hmmmm, the ninkorn effect?

Oh, this is gonna be fun predicting Top 10:

My Top 10 Prediction for the new US News:

1) HBS
2) Stanford
3) Wharton
4) Booth
5) Kellogg
6) MIT
7) Columbia
8) Tuck
9) Haas
10) NYU
10) Yale
10) Ross

I guess NYU and Columbia will be affected by the meltdown, and Tuck and Darden will move up. These two were shabbily treated by BW, US News may offer solace.

Just for kicks

My top 15
1. HBS
2. Stanford
3. Wharton
4. Kellogg
5. Chicago
6. MIT
7. Tuck
8. Columbia
9. Duke
9. Ross
11. Haas
12. Yale
12. Darden
14. NYU
15. UCLA
15. Cornell

My guess is that Booth will edge Kellogg on the heels of the 300 mil.

1. Stanford
2. HBS
3. Wharton
4. Booth
4. Kellogg
6. MIT - Sloan
7. Berkeley
8. Tuck
9. Yale
10. Columbia
11. Duke
12. Darden
13. Ross
14. UCLA
15. NYU - Stern

Curious why that would play a factor? I dont believe endowment is in their ranking methodology. That 300million is impressive but doesnt have immediate impact, thats a long term tool for them and wont play much of a factor this year.

My guess is The top 6 schools will stay where they are. Booth, Kellogg, MIT will be clustered in the 4/5 place area. USnews's rankings are pretty steady so I dont see any huge shifts this year. However, next year employment stuff could really cause some major shifts but since I believe they will be using 2008 employment figures for this there wont be any big shakeup. However, if they found out who had jobs at graduation and who no longer has them, well that could make some moves.

Might as well play the game too:
1) HBS
2) Stanford
3) Wharton
4) Kellogg/MIT (though I think most people on GC would all rather have MIT further down but they always do well)
6) Booth
7) Tuck
8) Haas
9) Columbia
10) Ross
11) NYU
12) Anderson
13) Duke
14) Cornell/Darden/Yale
17) Tepper
18) UNC
19) McCombs
20) Indiana

Visionary? Thanks Ninkorn. This wouldn't have anything to do with a certain bias you may or may not have towards Yale would it?

My top 15
1. HBS
2. Stanford
3. Wharton
4. Kellogg
5. Chicago/MIT
7. Tuck
8. Columbia
9. Haas
10. Ross
11. Yale
12. NYU/UCLA
14. Duke
15. Darden/Cornell

Does USNews do any international b-school rankings at all (sorry if the question sounds silly - I'm just curious)?

Very true. I take back last statement. Kellogg above Booth!!

It plays a factor for that same reason. Peoples perception of the $300M is important. Peer assessment and recruiter assessment are major factors. General consensus is that this will propel the school and continue chicagos momentum. I agree.

Not that I know of.

Did Michigan skyrocket after receiving the Ross donation? I doubt it.

Look, in the next two years, the finance heavy schools are going to take a hit. I actually think Chicago will be fine, but the NYC based schools are in REAL trouble. Why? Not just bc the banks recruit less, but also because their students are less willing to leave the NYC area. It's hard to find work in NYC, period.

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I don't know about this Booth vs Kellogg argument above but banks are not the only employers in NYC. I live and work in NYC. It really isn't that bad here. Whatever the news press is generating about NYC job market, they are over-doing it for ratings and to sell print copies of whatever they sell for ad revenue.

Some firms are on hiring freeze and banks aren't as hiring much, but people are not on the streets. Job market is not as good as previous yrs but companies are still hiring. People lose jobs and find new jobs. Even people with jobs are leaving for new jobs. Volume is down, but it's not worse than anywhere else in the country.