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So I just did my first GMATprep practice exam to see where I am at. I studied around 20 hours in the last 2 weeks, my test is in 2 more weeks.

I scored 710 with a 49Q 38V but I am wondering how realistic this is? I got 11 questions wrong on the quant so I was surprised to see a 49... Would it take into consideration that I finished with 20minutes to spare?
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No, extra time doesn't matter. Your raw quant score and its corresponding percentile are determined by how many questions you get right as well as the difficulty levels of the questions you get right/wrong.

Q49 is very strong for only 2 weeks of studying--get that verbal up a little and you'll be in the 750+ range without much trouble.
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So I just did my first GMATprep practice exam to see where I am at. I studied around 20 hours in the last 2 weeks, my test is in 2 more weeks.

I scored 710 with a 49Q 38V but I am wondering how realistic this is? I got 11 questions wrong on the quant so I was surprised to see a 49... Would it take into consideration that I finished with 20minutes to spare?


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It is not about how many questions you get correct or wrong, but about how many easy/difficult questions you get correct/wrong.

If you are doing well, the GMAT is always going to challenge you with a little up your level questions, so you may probably fail some questions. The important thing is that you get difficult questions, because that means that the GMAT thinks you are a smart guy :-)
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So I studied hard yesterday and did my second practice test today, I got 49,47 for a 770 which I am ecstatic about. I tried really slowing myself down and ended up only having 20 seconds left for the final question of quant. Generally found this exam more difficult. I got 9 quant wrong and 2 verbal wrong. Not sure what exactly I will do to improve for the next 8 days before my exam. I am definitely feeling confident although I haven't looked at the AWA part at all yet.


Umm...yeah, I'd say you're in pretty good shape.

I would recommend stressing yourself as little as possible for the next 8 days. Do some quick review work on concepts you're having problems with and study your equation/formula flashcards. Be prepared for things to be a little different when you have to do the AWA--that extra hour will have your brain somewhat taxed when you start the quant portion. Other than that, show up relaxed and rested on gameday and you'll be fine.
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I would say that it is Medium Difficult Question (650 level or something like that). I mean, there are much more challenging questions than this one ;-)

Here were the two hardest questions from todays exam. I actually am still not sure how to solve one of them.

1. If x and y are positive integers such that x = 8y + 12, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y.

(1) x = 12u, where u is an integer
(2) y = 12z, where z is an integer

2. A manufacturer produced x percent more video cameras in 1994 than in 1993 and y percent more video cameras in 1995 than in 1994. If the manufacturer produced 1000 video cameras in 1993 how many did the manufactuer produce in 1995?

(1) xy = 20
(2) x + y + xy/100 = 9.2

What level do you think they are? Number 2 I still am not sure about.



As for 2) B is sufficient?

1993 * (1+x/100) = 1994
1994 * (1+y/100) = 1995

1993-1995
1000 * (1+x/100)(1+y/100) = 1995
10(100+x+y+xy/100) = 1995
10(100+9.6) = 1995
1000+96 = 1096 ?

Something like that :)
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Great results! See this as well: http://gmatclub.com/gmat-score-calculator/


I filled it out, but the only tests I've done are GMAT prep.

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how many total hours have you put into studying? Surely you are not scoring in the 700s with only 20 hours of study?


~20 hrs for 710
~30 hrs for 770
~35 hrs as of now
~45 hrs by the time I take the test on tuesday

That is why I find it silly when people say "How many hrs do I need to study?" It depends how familiar you are with the material. I just graduated from my business undergrad in September so I am not far out of school. This test is very suited to my skills and I took lots of math in high school and 1st/2nd year university.
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I am going to give some unsolicited advice here.

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I am going to post a little update here and keep filling this thing out for the rest of my GMAT prep.


So I got this 710 and then got 770 on GMATprep two. My actual GMAT was a 670 with Q44 (completely choked, never scored below 49 on practice tests) and with that I quit on GMAT for a number of months.


With a 770 on GMAT Prep 2, I would say that on the actual GMAT, at least 730 was entirely do-able. You definitely did not do justice to yourself with 670.
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Recently I have been less busy at work and made the decision to start studying again. I ordered MGMAT's Sentence Correction as well as the Advanced GMAT Quant book. I worked through the whole Advanced Quant book and did all 15 problem sets averaging around 80%. I definitely feel like my Quant has improve from this. I also worked through the 50 tough DS and 50 tough PS posted on GMAT club. The SC book is useful but incredibly boring for me, I am doing my best to read it and take notes. I am through like 6 chapters.

The 'rules' approach for SC is going to help less and less and smart, logical thinking will help more. GMAT SC questions, especially at higher scores, are trending toward meaning and reasoning based errors.

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My game plan is to take the 6 MGMAT tests and then re-write the exam. I am going to try and do two tests a week starting this coming monday. One during the week skipping the essays, and one on the weekend in full test like conditions, essays and all.


Two tests a week - too much. In my opinion, one test a week is maximum one should take. It will take one day to take a test, two days to analyze it and three days to hammer out the kinks in the preparation that you were able to spot because of that test. Of course, the 7th day is the 'holiday'.
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So I did a practice exam half at work/half at home. Obviously I didn't have full concentration at work so I expect that effected my score a bit. This is the first verbal practice test I've done in about 7 months so I didn't expect too much. I scored 710 (Q48,V39) which is reasonable for how much attention I was able to pay. I got 14 Qs wrong on each, and still got 710 which makes me wonder how the heck I got 670 on the real thing lol. I did not especially like Manhattans RC and CR questions, I felt like some were ambiguous in a way that I didn't see on OG/Gmatprep/Gmat.

I am continually finding myself getting a question and thinking "how hard is this question, how well am I doing?" instead of just solving the dam thing. It's driving me nuts how I am having so much trouble concentrating on the task at hand.

This Sunday I will do a full timed test with essays, so hopefully that goes okay.


My suggestion is that if you are simulating the GMAT to get over the trouble you had last time, take a test only when you can take it properly. One section at a time will actually give you better results (concentration is higher for shorter periods). Not doing essays will again give you better results. You spend a lot of energy in the first one hour of GMAT (writing the essays) even though they are not scored in the 800. By the time you start Quant, your mind and eyes are already a little tired. Since your aim is not to really 'learn' out of the tests but to get a good feel so that you are not frazzled on test day, try and simulate the actual test day conditions. Take the entire test in one go in the best conditions possible - at the time that you have taken for your test, with timed breaks etc. Try to utilize your holidays for the test, even if they are consecutive days.
If you find yourself wondering how hard the question is and how well you are doing, don't bother. We all do it subconsciously. The thought just flashes through your mind if the question is simple because you are not 100% involved. It doesn't harm you. But if you find yourself dwelling on it and feeling nervous, that's not good. Remember, you are not the judge of the level of questions - the software is. I remember when I took GMAT some years back, first 4-5 questions were a breeze, then there were some tricky ones and then last few were easy again and I was a little worried that how come I am getting such easy ones. I still did get a Q51 so there is no point second guessing the software. It knows what it has to do, you focus on what you have to do.
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Hahaha that's funny, the boring RC passages kill me too. One time I got 3 RC sections all on feminism. I think my verbal was like v37 after that hahaha.

I'm not doing any more prep before my exam, just resting from mon-thurs since my brain has enough stress at work lately. Im happy with something like Q47,V40 so hopefully I can pull that off. It really shouldn't be too hard, but I don't want to put too much expectation on myself and choke lol.


Good luck tomorrow buddy. You feeling good about things? I'm a little nervous for Saturday, but mostly just looking forward to having the whole test behind me.
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Re: First GMAT prep practice exam - realistic? [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 14:53
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No, extra time doesn't matter. Your raw quant score and its corresponding percentile are determined by how many questions you get right as well as the difficulty levels of the questions you get right/wrong.

Q49 is very strong for only 2 weeks of studying--get that verbal up a little and you'll be in the 750+ range without much trouble.


Thanks a lot for responding so quickly :). I'm glad time isn't taken into account, my plan to do better is to go more slowly haha. I know I need to improve the verbal but I feel like I got a little unlucky on it this time through. I find I rely a lot on the SC and RC questions being on topics that I am interested in. As pathetic as it is I cannot concentrate on reading a whole paragraph on something I don't care about. I read one or two sentences and then forget what I am reading. Despite trying to concentrate my brain gets scrambled.

SC questions as well as DS in quant are what I will be spending time on in the next two weeks.


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It is not about how many questions you get correct or wrong, but about how many easy/difficult questions you get correct/wrong.

If you are doing well, the GMAT is always going to challenge you with a little up your level questions, so you may probably fail some questions. The important thing is that you get difficult questions, because that means that the GMAT thinks you are a smart guy :-)



Hahaha well thank you. I didn't think GMATprep would change the questions based on my answers, that's interesting.

If anyone is interested this is a challenging/kind of fun question that took me a while to think through after seeing I got it wrong.

If n and m are positive integers, what is the remainder when (3^(4n+2))+m is divided by 10?

(1) n=2
(2) m=1

I will post how I solved later.
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Re: First GMAT prep practice exam - realistic? [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 15:15
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No, extra time doesn't matter. Your raw quant score and its corresponding percentile are determined by how many questions you get right as well as the difficulty levels of the questions you get right/wrong.

Q49 is very strong for only 2 weeks of studying--get that verbal up a little and you'll be in the 750+ range without much trouble.


Thanks a lot for responding so quickly :). I'm glad time isn't taken into account, my plan to do better is to go more slowly haha. I know I need to improve the verbal but I feel like I got a little unlucky on it this time through. I find I rely a lot on the SC and RC questions being on topics that I am interested in. As pathetic as it is I cannot concentrate on reading a whole paragraph on something I don't care about. I read one or two sentences and then forget what I am reading. Despite trying to concentrate my brain gets scrambled.

SC questions as well as DS in quant are what I will be spending time on in the next two weeks.


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Welcome to GMATClub!

It is not about how many questions you get correct or wrong, but about how many easy/difficult questions you get correct/wrong.

If you are doing well, the GMAT is always going to challenge you with a little up your level questions, so you may probably fail some questions. The important thing is that you get difficult questions, because that means that the GMAT thinks you are a smart guy :-)



Hahaha well thank you. I didn't think GMATprep would change the questions based on my answers, that's interesting.

If anyone is interested this is a challenging/kind of fun question that took me a while to think through after seeing I got it wrong.

If n and m are positive integers, what is the remainder when (3^(4n+2))+m is divided by 10?

(1) n=2
(2) m=1

I will post how I solved later.


(3^(4n+2)) ends in 9 for all n, so if m=1 it is divisible by 10 (remainder=0). So B.
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Re: First GMAT prep practice exam - realistic? [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 15:21
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(3^(4n+2)) ends in 9 for all n, so if m=1 it is divisible by 10 (remainder=0). So B.


yezzir. You replied quick, gj. Would you consider that a difficult question?

I just found the term goes up by a multiple of 3^4 (units digit 1) so the units digit will not change for any n as long as m doesn't change.
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noboru wrote:
(3^(4n+2)) ends in 9 for all n, so if m=1 it is divisible by 10 (remainder=0). So B.


yezzir. You replied quick, gj. Would you consider that a difficult question?

I just found the term goes up by a multiple of 3^4 (units digit 1) so the units digit will not change for any n as long as m doesn't change.


I would say that it is Medium Difficult Question (650 level or something like that). I mean, there are much more challenging questions than this one ;-)
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Re: First GMAT prep practice exam - realistic? [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2011, 02:18
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noboru wrote:
(3^(4n+2)) ends in 9 for all n, so if m=1 it is divisible by 10 (remainder=0). So B.


yezzir. You replied quick, gj. Would you consider that a difficult question?

I just found the term goes up by a multiple of 3^4 (units digit 1) so the units digit will not change for any n as long as m doesn't change.


Impressive Quantscore you got with 20 min left :-)

I would do like this...
(3^(4n+2))+m = (3^4n * 3^2) + m => (81^n * 9 )+ m, 81^n will always have 1 as unit digit for any value of n and 1 * 9 will always result in 9 so the product will always be xxxx9 + m for all values of n.
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Re: First GMAT prep practice exam - realistic? [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2011, 12:38
So I studied hard yesterday and did my second practice test today, I got 49,47 for a 770 which I am ecstatic about. I tried really slowing myself down and ended up only having 20 seconds left for the final question of quant. Generally found this exam more difficult. I got 9 quant wrong and 2 verbal wrong. Not sure what exactly I will do to improve for the next 8 days before my exam. I am definitely feeling confident although I haven't looked at the AWA part at all yet.


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I would say that it is Medium Difficult Question (650 level or something like that). I mean, there are much more challenging questions than this one ;-)


Here were the two hardest questions from todays exam. I actually am still not sure how to solve one of them.

1. If x and y are positive integers such that x = 8y + 12, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y.

(1) x = 12u, where u is an integer
(2) y = 12z, where z is an integer

2. A manufacturer produced x percent more video cameras in 1994 than in 1993 and y percent more video cameras in 1995 than in 1994. If the manufacturer produced 1000 video cameras in 1993 how many did the manufactuer produce in 1995?

(1) xy = 20
(2) x + y + xy/100 = 9.2

What level do you think they are? Number 2 I still am not sure about.


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Impressive Quantscore you got with 20 min left :-)

I would do like this...
(3^(4n+2))+m = (3^4n * 3^2) + m => (81^n * 9 )+ m, 81^n will always have 1 as unit digit for any value of n and 1 * 9 will always result in 9 so the product will always be xxxx9 + m for all values of n.



Thanks :) although apparently using all my time did not help.

And yeah fair enough. Getting more familiar with units digits as a concept actually makes that question quite simple.
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Re: First GMAT prep practice exam - realistic? [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2011, 15:58
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Umm...yeah, I'd say you're in pretty good shape.

I would recommend stressing yourself as little as possible for the next 8 days. Do some quick review work on concepts you're having problems with and study your equation/formula flashcards. Be prepared for things to be a little different when you have to do the AWA--that extra hour will have your brain somewhat taxed when you start the quant portion. Other than that, show up relaxed and rested on gameday and you'll be fine.


haha ya, I'm not too stressed or anything but you may be right about the essay portion. Hopefully I avoid getting too boggled by it. I should have taken that into consideration when doing my practice tests but oh well. I am happy with anything over 700 really, although better would be nice for increasing scholarship opportunities.


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As for 2) B is sufficient?

1993 * (1+x/100) = 1994
1994 * (1+y/100) = 1995

1993-1995
1000 * (1+x/100)(1+y/100) = 1995
10(100+x+y+xy/100) = 1995
10(100+9.6) = 1995
1000+96 = 1096 ?

Something like that :)


*slow clap* cool, that will help me for other questions of a similar nature. Sometimes I just have to break down the equations and see what happens apparently, I usually try not to use a pen if I don't have too.
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Sometimes I just have to break down the equations and see what happens apparently, I usually try not to use a pen if I don't have too.


Putting pen on paper and making equations should be the last resort. As you have already figured, GMAT does not require you to KNOW concepts. You can figure them out as you go if your fundamentals are clear. It is a test of your aptitude. Knowledge required is bare minimum. Though exposure to concepts can help you get there faster. But apparently, you are not facing time challenges so carry on... Do whatever it is you are doing and you will be fine...

As for RC (I think you mentioned that if you do not like the topic, you find it difficult to focus), give yourself a task in every RC. That is, for every paragraph, you have to jot down 3-4 most important words which summarize that particular paragraph. You will find it hard to drift if you have a task at hand (especially helpful for the long soporific passages).

Lastly, I know a few people who got 760-770 in their GMAT prep tests but scored 720-730 in the actual GMAT (that much at least is a given I think!)... So be confident but be cautious too... Try and avoid making mistakes in haste. Time is plenty - make good use of it.
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Based on the scores that you are getting on the practice CAT, I think you are ready for the real exam. Good luck.

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Putting pen on paper and making equations should be the last resort. As you have already figured, GMAT does not require you to KNOW concepts. You can figure them out as you go if your fundamentals are clear. It is a test of your aptitude. Knowledge required is bare minimum. Though exposure to concepts can help you get there faster. But apparently, you are not facing time challenges so carry on... Do whatever it is you are doing and you will be fine...

As for RC (I think you mentioned that if you do not like the topic, you find it difficult to focus), give yourself a task in every RC. That is, for every paragraph, you have to jot down 3-4 most important words which summarize that particular paragraph. You will find it hard to drift if you have a task at hand (especially helpful for the long soporific passages).

Lastly, I know a few people who got 760-770 in their GMAT prep tests but scored 720-730 in the actual GMAT (that much at least is a given I think!)... So be confident but be cautious too... Try and avoid making mistakes in haste. Time is plenty - make good use of it.


Firstly, thank you for the response. I agree with your first paragraph and feel like a lot of people get way too caught up in complicated concepts and memorization. Sometimes I get to a DS question and just from reading it I can say it is either C or E. If I am 80-90% sure it is going to be one or the other I just pick it and move on. That 2-3 minutes can be better utilized somewhere else. Also just plugging in numbers to test equations, rather than writing everything out can be really quick and beneficial.

I will try that tip for RC and see how it works for me. It would be great if I could get a good verbal score without dependence on an element of luck.

And finally, thank you, a 770+ would be fantastic but not really necessary. I would actually be more happy with a 50/40 for 730 or so than a 49/47 for a 760 or so. I am going to try and be relaxed, but not too relaxed. I don't want to run out of time, especially if it is because I purposely took my time!
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