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For a certain sequence, tn=-1(tn-1+1)^-1 for all values of n [#permalink]
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For a certain sequence, t n=-1(t n-1+1)^-1 for all values of n such that n => 2. Given that t 1=1, how much greater is the product of the first 200 values in this sequence than the sum of the first 200 values in this sequence?
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I am not able to get any headway n finding t2.... 
where is our frens lexieqv,qsr,himalaya,gmatt73..???
any hint titleist?
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Re: SEetheconseQUENCE PS [#permalink]
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Titleist wrote: For a certain sequence, t n=-1(t n-1+1)^-1 for all values of n such that n >= 2  Given that t 1=1, how much greater is the product of the first 200 values in this sequence than the sum of the first 200 values in this sequence? 1 68 98 105 228 Give it a from the formula we can calculate
t2= -1/2 , t3=-2, t4= 1 , t5=-1/2 , t6=-2, t7= 1, this repeats over and over with interval of 3
the sum is t2+ t3+ t4+ ... + t200 = ( t2+t3+t4) + ( t5+t6+t7) + ....+ (t197+t198+t199)+t200
Each sum in the ( ) has the value of -1/2+(-2)+1= -3/2
We have 66 groups in all --> the sum except for t200 is -3/2*66= -99
---> the whole sum is -99+t200= -99-1/2= -99.5
The product of t2*t3*t4= -1/2*-2* 1= 1
We have 66 such groups in all --> the product of these 66 groups is 1
--> the product of these 66 groups with t200= 1*(-1/2) = -1/2
---> the product- the sum= -1/2 -(-99.5) = 99
The slight difference is because I assumed that n>=2 ...coz if we don't have n=2, we can't never calculate t2 and thus t3,t4,t5 ......
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duttsit wrote: I am not able to get any headway n finding t2.... where is our frens lexieqv,qsr,himalaya,gmatt73..??? any hint titleist? yeah where is everyone?
as for the hint. find the pattern for the first 10 terms. you'll be able to find a pattern once you sum vs. mulitplying.
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hey, are you sure n > 2 ... I think it should be n > =2
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laxieqv wrote: hey, are you sure n > 2 ... I think it should be n > =2 good find yes - let me make the edit. 
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well, please see my solution which is right above your last 
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Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: hey, are you sure n > 2 ... I think it should be n > =2 good find yes - let me make the edit. hey..you made me stare at this problem from last 1 hour... to find elusive t2 while only thing we can know is t1 and t3,t4,...
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laxieqv wrote: well, please see my solution which is right above your last Very close Laxi, you probably guessed 98.
here is why it's 98 vs. 99
t1 = 1
t2 = -1/2
t3 = -2
t4 = 1
t5 = -1/2
t6 = -2
t10 = 1
..so forth
The sequence repeats itself every 3 terms.
The sum of of the sequence for the first 3 terms is -1.5 and it is -1.5 for every subsequent 3 terms.
The product of the three terms is 1 and repeats itself every three terms.
If we take 200 terms and divided by the number of cycles, 3, then we get 66. However 66 x 3 is 198 thus we have to add or multiply the 199th and 200th terms.
The product
1^66 = 1 x 1 (199th term) x -0.5 (200th term) = -0.5 (is the product of the first 200 terms of the sequence
The sum
-1.5 x 66 = -99 + 1 (199 term) + -0.5 (200th term) = -98.5
The product - The sum = -0.5 - (-98.5) = 98
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duttsit wrote: Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: hey, are you sure n > 2 ... I think it should be n > =2 good find yes - let me make the edit. hey..you made me stare at this problem from last 1 hour... to find elusive t2 while only thing we can know is t1 and t3,t4,... be back from the break SORRRY!!!! 
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Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: well, please see my solution which is right above your last If we take 200 terms and divided by the number of cycles, 3, then we get 66. However 66 x 3 is 198 thus we have to add or multiply the 199th and 200th terms. Hey ,aren't we considering n from 2 to 200???? there are 200-2+1= 199 numbers in the set! and thus 66 groups and only t200 left!
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laxieqv wrote: Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: well, please see my solution which is right above your last If we take 200 terms and divided by the number of cycles, 3, then we get 66. However 66 x 3 is 198 thus we have to add or multiply the 199th and 200th terms. Hey, aren't we considering n from 2 to 200???? there are 200-2+1= 199 numbers in the set! and thus 66 groups and only t200 left! No - I think the question explicitly asks for the first 200 values not just 199 values, so you would have to start from T1. The question tells you that n=>2 because they are giving you a starting point from which you can derive the sequence from T1. OA from Manhattan Gmat stands at 98. I double checked the question.
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Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: well, please see my solution which is right above your last If we take 200 terms and divided by the number of cycles, 3, then we get 66. However 66 x 3 is 198 thus we have to add or multiply the 199th and 200th terms. Hey, aren't we considering n from 2 to 200???? there are 200-2+1= 199 numbers in the set! and thus 66 groups and only t200 left! No - I think the question explicitly asks for the first 200 values not just 199 values, so you would have to start from T1. The question tells you that n=>2 because they are giving you a starting point from which you can derive the sequence from T1. OA from Manhattan Gmat stands at 98. I double checked the question. ok, i accept that ...anyway this one is not tough but tricky  ...and it's EXTREMELY tricker as you omitted n=2 
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laxieqv wrote: Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: Titleist wrote: laxieqv wrote: well, please see my solution which is right above your last If we take 200 terms and divided by the number of cycles, 3, then we get 66. However 66 x 3 is 198 thus we have to add or multiply the 199th and 200th terms. Hey, aren't we considering n from 2 to 200???? there are 200-2+1= 199 numbers in the set! and thus 66 groups and only t200 left! No - I think the question explicitly asks for the first 200 values not just 199 values, so you would have to start from T1. The question tells you that n=>2 because they are giving you a starting point from which you can derive the sequence from T1. OA from Manhattan Gmat stands at 98. I double checked the question. ok, i accept that ...anyway this one is not tough but tricky ...and it's EXTREMELY tricker as you omitted n=2 Ok Ok! I'm sorry about that - I assure you that there was no malice involved - it was just an innocent mistake!
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Laxi, try the Honey Bee probability question - you'll enjoy that one. 
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oh my ....your that emoticon tells thousands of words ...btw, it's great fun to have you playing some jokes around ..But for this thread, I stop chit-chatting, if not I'm gonna get "fired" by CEO 
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laxieqv wrote: oh my ....your that emoticon tells thousands of words ...btw, it's great fun to have you playing some jokes around ..But for this thread, I stop chit-chatting, if not I'm gonna get "fired" by CEO Fired? He'd better give you a nice severance package Laxieqv.
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