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For application to the internship program, it is required [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 15:28
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For application to the internship program, it is required that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay, a recommendation from a former employer or teacher, a transcript, and a writing sample.
(A) it is required that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay
(B) students are required to submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay
(C) the requirement is a 500 to 700 word autobiographical essay
(D) students should be submitting a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay
(E) it includes a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 16:26
(B)..

will try refuting other choices. Correct me if I am wrong.

(D): "be submitting" is wrong. It should be "student should submit.."
(E): "it" No referent
(C): Distorts meaning: submit is missing.
(A): I cant refute this one. Second best(IMO).
"it" clearly modifies "that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay".

Please help: why (A) is better/worse than (B).
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 16:56
hmm I don't have an answer.

For application to the internship program should modify the subject and the subject cannot be students. It has got to be the Requirements.

The way I check if the modifier is correct is by inverting the subject and the modifer.

So B would read: students for application to the internship program. This is ackward!

Whereas if the subject is Requirements, it would read

Requirements for application to the internship program. This is OK.

C) comes close. But it has a S-V error. It should be 'requirement are'

Can somebody see if my understanding is correct?
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 17:06
I got ur point.
U r right.
(B) may be wrong.

In that case I think (A) is best answer.

For application to the internship program, it is required that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay, a recommendation from a former employer or teacher, a transcript, and a writing sample.

However, that also does not answer ur questions. We need some more help.

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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 17:11
'it' and 'there' cannot be subject of a clause if preceeded by a modifier.
So it cannot be A.

Waiting for Paul or Other experts to clarify....
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 17:21
jpv wrote:
"it" clearly modifies "that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay".

Please help: why (A) is better/worse than (B).


it is definitely not the subject.. In (A), Subject is "that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay".

I saw anand hovering around in the forum. We can catch him.
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Re: SC - application to the internship program [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 18:31
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For application to the internship program, it is required that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay, a recommendation from a former employer or teacher, a transcript, and a writing sample.
(A) it is required that students submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay
(B) students are required to submit a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay
(C) the requirement is a 500 to 700 word autobiographical essay
(D) students should be submitting a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay
(E) it includes a 500 to 700 word autobiography essay


B.
it is students that apply to the internship program. Except D, other choices are dangling.
But in choice D, "should" needs be left out.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2005, 22:33
I would go for A
B seems to have a misplaced modifier problem in that it sounds as if "students" themselves are a requirement for the application.
In A, "it" refers to "requirements" as nocilis said
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2005, 07:02
Paul wrote:
I would go for A
B seems to have a misplaced modifier problem in that it sounds as if "students" themselves are a requirement for the application.
In A, "it" refers to "requirements" as nocilis said


but there is no such word in the sentence.. :roll:
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2005, 08:41
Paul,
What do you think if questions starts with submit like "For submitting applications........" . Would you still think "it is required" a better choice.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2005, 08:58
Does anyone find it interesting that in A required is followed by the unidiomatic that. You can be required to do something or it can a requirement of another body. But to require that, doesn't seem right. A should read, it is required of students to submit. I still think that B is correct despite the modification problem, but then again who knows. OA anyone?
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2005, 09:42
Pick "A" as well, in addition to Paul's comment I also think "A" conveys a subjunctive mood.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2005, 10:01
Hmm. This is a tough one.
One thing I can say is "it is required that ....."
contains what is called the empty it
Here the "it does not refer to anything but just exists because every verb needs a subject. (verb being "is" )
I did some research on this question but could not find very convincing answer.

First of all "for the application to the internship program" is a prepositional phrase.
Now as per the grammr rules it can act as a noun, or, adverb, or, adjective

From usage perspective I just liked (B).

Let us rearrange each choice

(A) it is required that students submit + X + Y + Z, + for the application to the internship program.

(B) students are required to submit + X + Y + Z, + for the application to the internship program.

My belief is that the prepositional phrase is acting as an adjective. It has to be followed by a noun. I somehow feel that both sentences have a problem.

I have problem with "for the"
I would have really liked "while applying" or "when applying"

I would like to know the source of this SC.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2005, 19:53
This question is from Master the GMAT CAT 2005.

OA is (C). This is the OE. I am not convinced however.

The original (A) contains two errors: the pronoun it creates ambiguity because there is no obvious antecedent, and the word autobiography should appear as an adjective with the ending –al. The original also uses the passive voice. (B) corrects the pronoun problem but fails to correct the adjective and the use of passive voice.(D) is incorrect because it corrects the pronoun and the passive voice, but fails to correct the adjective. (E) contains the original pronoun and adjective errors.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2005, 20:20
but shouldn't "requirement" in C be "requirements" as a list of requirements is mentioned?
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 [#permalink] New post 25 Feb 2005, 23:15
anandnk wrote:
Hmm. This is a tough one.
One thing I can say is "it is required that ....."
contains what is called the empty it
Here the "it does not refer to anything but just exists because every verb needs a subject. (verb being "is" )
I did some research on this question but could not find very convincing answer.

First of all "for the application to the internship program" is a prepositional phrase.
Now as per the grammr rules it can act as a noun, or, adverb, or, adjective

From usage perspective I just liked (B).

Let us rearrange each choice

(A) it is required that students submit + X + Y + Z, + for the application to the internship program.

(B) students are required to submit + X + Y + Z, + for the application to the internship program.

My belief is that the prepositional phrase is acting as an adjective. It has to be followed by a noun. I somehow feel that both sentences have a problem.

I have problem with "for the"
I would have really liked "while applying" or "when applying"

I would like to know the source of this SC.


So, according to the OA, it seems not like the adj. phrase but the adv. phrase. Therefore, there is no dangling doubt. right?
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 [#permalink] New post 26 Feb 2005, 18:31
Tough one, Glad it is C, that's what I got but was so unsure.

the requirement for is the correct usage
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 [#permalink] New post 26 Feb 2005, 18:56
Am still shocked to see OA as C

Can anyone explain why is "requirement" not "requirements" ??
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 [#permalink] New post 26 Feb 2005, 19:03
Never heard of Master the GMAT CAT 2005 before. I agree that "requirements" should be the right element being modified by the introductory modifier. However, although it is possible to singularize "requirement" prior to an enumeration, this is a concept I strongly believe the GMAT will not test.
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