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For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 06 Oct 2012, 01:08
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For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles

A. had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles
B. saw what they pay toward health care increased as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
C. have seen what they pay toward health care increase as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
D. have been seeing what they pay toward health care increases as companies asks it to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
E. have seen what they pay toward health care increasing as companies are asking them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay [#permalink] New post 06 Oct 2012, 06:46
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1. the action is continued from past. So correct choice shoild have 'have seen'. A and B wrong.
2. D uses 'it' to refer employees. Wrong.
3. Among C and E,

E changes the meaning a little by using present continuous tense, where we need simple present tense.

So C is right.
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 12:58
For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles

A. had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles
B. saw what they pay toward health care increased as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
C. have seen what they pay toward health care increase as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
D. have been seeing what they pay toward health care increases as companies asks it to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
E. have seen what they pay toward health care increasing as companies are asking them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles

Well this makes a general assertion and the opening words For years signify continuing action. Eliminate A and B. In D seeing is wrong. In E increasing makes the sentence awkward. C wins.
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2012, 14:18
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Here ins't - what they pay toward health care increase a little awkward? (increases sounds better?)
Also, usually it's pay towards.. ?

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For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles

A. had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles
B. saw what they pay toward health care increased as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
C. have seen what they pay toward health care increase as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
D. have been seeing what they pay toward health care increases as companies asks it to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
E. have seen what they pay toward health care increasing as companies are asking them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2013, 21:32
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For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles

A. had seen what they pay toward health care increases as companies ask them to contribute more for premiums and deductibles
B. saw what they pay toward health care increased as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
C. have seen what they pay toward health care increase as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
D. have been seeing what they pay toward health care increases as companies asks it to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
E. have seen what they pay toward health care increasing as companies are asking them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles



should not it be "increases" ?

C. have seen what they pay toward health care increase as companies ask them to contribute more to premiums and deductibles
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2013, 23:23
Original sentence has subject verb as well as tense issue..
The original sentence says...the payments had increased for years but now ceased to increase...
Employees have seen something(what they pay toward health care/payments) increase....
C solves both issues...
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2014, 00:47
We have "for" rather than "Since" in original sentence.

Take B in context that the Author might be talking about Pre recession time while explaining in class.

Why we don't have increase rather than increases?




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1. the action is continued from past. So correct choice shoild have 'have seen'. A and B wrong.
2. D uses 'it' to refer employees. Wrong.
3. Among C and E,

E changes the meaning a little by using present continuous tense, where we need simple present tense.

So C is right.

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Actually increase/increases is a non-issue here, since increase is not used as a verb in this sentence. Technically, it is called a bare infinitive (the infinitive to increase, without the word to). Since the structure of infinitives is: to + the basic form of the verb, to increases is an incorrect construct, because increase is the basic form of the verb; hence, in the bare infinitive usage also, increases would be incorrect.

From an understanding perspective, the structure of the sentence is like this:

For years, employees have seen <prices> increase.

prices would be a noun; similarly, instead of prices, what is mentioned in this sentence is: what they pay toward health care . So, the sentence is:

For years, employees have seen <what they pay toward health care> increase.

Similar to:

Jack watched his friend play.
Jack watched his friends play.
People have seen <something> increase
.

As is evident, it doesn't matter whether we have singular (friend) or plural (friends), the bare infinitive remains the same: play.

p.s. I don't believe test takers need to develop concept in bare infinitives. The reason I highlighted it was to make sure that it is understood that we cannot analyze increase from a subject verb agreement perspective here, because increase is not used as a verb here.
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2014, 05:43
Thanks Ashish. I got usage of increase over here.


Is it compulsory to use have been over here? What about this sentence was said by professor in a class? We have for rather then since over here.



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Actually increase/increases is a non-issue here, since increase is not used as a verb in this sentence. Technically, it is called a bare infinitive (the infinitive to increase, without the word to). Since the structure of infinitives is: to + the basic form of the verb, to increases is an incorrect construct, because increase is the basic form of the verb; hence, in the bare infinitive usage also, increases would be incorrect.

From an understanding perspective, the structure of the sentence is like this:

For years, employees have seen <prices> increase.

prices would be a noun; similarly, instead of prices, what is mentioned in this sentence is: what they pay toward health care . So, the sentence is:

For years, employees have seen <what they pay toward health care> increase.

Similar to:

Jack watched his friend play.
Jack watched his friends play.
People have seen <something> increase
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As is evident, it doesn't matter whether we have singular (friend) or plural (friends), the bare infinitive remains the same: play.

p.s. I don't believe test takers need to develop concept in bare infinitives. The reason I highlighted it was to make sure that it is understood that we cannot analyze increase from a subject verb agreement perspective here, because increase is not used as a verb here.

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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2014, 05:56
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Is it compulsory to use have been over here?

Am slightly confused by this, because the correct answer uses have seen (and not have been).

have seen is present perfect tense and is appropriate here. For example:

People have seen corruption increase for many years now.
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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2014, 06:04
Sorry i mean have seen.

I understood why usage of have seen is correct; however, in b is the usage of saw correct?

what is the error in B? is it usage of ask rather then asked?

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rohitmanglik wrote:
Is it compulsory to use have been over here?

Am slightly confused by this, because the correct answer uses have seen (and not have been).

have seen is present perfect tense and is appropriate here. For example:

People have seen corruption increase for many years now.

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Re: For years, employees had seen what they pay toward health [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2014, 20:57
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in b is the usage of saw correct?

what is the error in B? is it usage of ask rather then asked?

Hi Rohit, saw is simple past, while the usage here suggests that present perfect (have seen) should be used.

For example, would you say:

i) For years, India has not won any major cricket series overseas.

Or

ii) For years, India did not win any major cricket series overseas.

i) should be your answer choice, because this event (of India not winning any major cricket series overseas) is something that is still true. This is one of the primary usages of present perfect.

On the other hand, simple past is used to depict events that started and finished in the past. So, if we use ii), it would mean that while India did not win any major cricket series overseas in the past, that trend perhaps got reversed.

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