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From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2012, 13:07
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From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for peasants in Czarist Russia to be weak. If they were strong, they would have been enlisted into the Czar's army against their will. Soldiers' lives were not highly valued by their commanders, and the bitter conditions and violent wars they endured led to a much shorter life span.

What is the logical flaw presented in the argument?

It assumes, without justification, that the only factor helping weak peasants survive longer was the fact that they were not enlisted into the army.

It overlooks the possibility that there were peasants of intermediate strength who enjoyed survival benefits greater than those of either the strong or the weak.

It assumes, without justification, that all strong peasants and all weak peasants of the time faced the same prospects in life.

It overlooks the possibility that strong peasants were often targeted and killed by the local aristocracy for fear that they might lead a peasant uprising.

The argument takes for granted that smart peasants knew how to make themselves appear weak when the army recruiters came through town.
[Reveal] Spoiler: OA

Last edited by Archit143 on 15 Dec 2012, 03:44, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2012, 13:09
The source of the question is Grockit and the answer will follow very soon...Pls present your thoughts with clear reasoning.
It will be appreciated if someone mentions why an option which he terms is out of scope.
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2012, 13:42
I feel that Assumption which is accepted on GMAT for these questions is that these weaker peasents know how to pretend to be weak. There may be few stronger peasents also who pretend to be weak because they do not want to join army and get subjected to harsh life and have short life span.

Hence I think E is a strong contender but it cannot be denied that A is also appealing...
Can some one explain what should be our step for finding a logical flaw question.
Here is what i think:-
Find a reasoning error that is it and compare it with the options.

So reasoning error here is not to join army because the commanders subject to harsh life and hence may shorten the life span. Flaw here is These pretending weaker peasants may die of some road accident, malnutrition, cardiac instances for instances. So why only blame Army<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>

The same line of reason is presented in A, Hence it is also strong contender..

Do not know which one to select ...pls help A, E or the OA (B)
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2012, 22:01
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The conclusion is: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for peasants in Czarist Russia to be weak

In the logical flaw type questions, we must remember one thing:
Any answer choice that describes information or a situation that does not occur in the stimulus is incorrect.
Nowhere we are told anything about "smart peasants". So we can't speculate anything about them. Hence E is wrong here.

A makes a necessary condition into a sufficient one, exaggerating a lot. We can't be so sure that it was the only reason.

B chooses the middle path, mentions the peasants with intermediate strength who enjoyed survival benefits better than others.
It presents an objection to the conclusion that without considering these peasants, how can one say that it was the best for peasants to remain weak.

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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 04:15
A It assumes, without justification, that the only factor helping weak peasants survive longer was the fact that they were not enlisted into the army.

Considering Necessary and Sufficient reasoning for the argument , we get the following result
Necessary (Strong Peasent Or Enlisted in the army)------------------->Sufficient (short Life span)

As per A: Factor helping weak peasents to live longer is not enlisted in the army i.e. Since weak peasents are not strong they are not enlisted in the army, hence they can live longer...
It maintains the necessary and sufficient condition mentioned in the argument....So we cannot eliminate the option choice basis on the above reasoning.

i think its an assumption for sure made in the argument that If weak peasants donot join army they will live longe because if we negate it, the conclusion cannot stand on stand. Hence I still think A is a strong contender.
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 04:36
As per Powersccore CR bible, New elements are not considered correct answers in such questions.
Inttermediate strength is toally new and we do not know that even these people are enlisted in the army. Than how can they be convinced.

but yes to extent it is better than logic of Smart peasents but A i still think is the best answer choice.
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 04:39
Archit143 wrote:
A It assumes, without justification, that the only factor helping weak peasants survive longer was the fact that they were not enlisted into the army.

Considering Necessary and Sufficient reasoning for the argument , we get the following result
Necessary (Strong Peasent Or Enlisted in the army)------------------->Sufficient (short Life span)

As per A: Factor helping weak peasents to live longer is not enlisted in the army i.e. Since weak peasents are not strong they are not enlisted in the army, hence they can live longer...
It maintains the necessary and sufficient condition mentioned in the argument....So we cannot eliminate the option choice basis on the above reasoning.

i think its an assumption for sure made in the argument that If weak peasants donot join army they will live longe because if we negate it, the conclusion cannot stand on stand. Hence I still think A is a strong contender.



Hi Archit

When i read the question and the answer choices i felt the three contenders could be A,B & E here but i eliminated B & E on the basis that nothing regarding the intermediate peasent and smart peasant is made in the argument and would be more of a bringing outside knowledge to the scope of the answers.

Hence i feel strongly about A with the reasons mentioned by you.

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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 04:41
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Archit143 wrote:
As per Powersccore CR bible, New elements are not considered correct answers in such questions.
Inttermediate strength is toally new and we do not know that even these people are enlisted in the army. Than how can they be convinced.

but yes to extent it is better than logic of Smart peasents but A i still think is the best answer choice.


Yes peasants with intermediate strength is new information, but the idea of the strength is not new; it has been discussed in the stimulus.
A is a strong contender but it loses the battle in that it exaggerates.
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 04:47
Hi Marcab

The use of word "Only" can be a justification for the option to be trmed as exaggerated but its clearly mentioned in the book that. Option cannot be eliminate solely on its wordings.
The idea needs to checked...Which i thnk is completely justified. If you negate the assumption which it is stating than the option conclusion is destroyed.

A or B????????????????
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 04:48
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Archit143 wrote:
A It assumes, without justification, that the only factor helping weak peasants survive longer was the fact that they were not enlisted into the army.

Considering Necessary and Sufficient reasoning for the argument , we get the following result
Necessary (Strong Peasent Or Enlisted in the army)------------------->Sufficient (short Life span)

As per A: Factor helping weak peasents to live longer is not enlisted in the army i.e. Since weak peasents are not strong they are not enlisted in the army, hence they can live longer...
It maintains the necessary and sufficient condition mentioned in the argument....So we cannot eliminate the option choice basis on the above reasoning.

i think its an assumption for sure made in the argument that If weak peasants donot join army they will live longe because if we negate it, the conclusion cannot stand on stand. Hence I still think A is a strong contender.



Hi Archit

When i read the question and the answer choices i felt the three contenders could be A,B & E here but i eliminated B & E on the basis that nothing regarding the intermediate peasent and smart peasant is made in the argument and would be more of a bringing outside knowledge to the scope of the answers.

Hence i feel strongly about A with the reasons mentioned by you.

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I second your thought and that is what i am contending.....
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 05:14
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Okay.
On negation, A becomes: "The fact that they were not enlisted into the army was not the only factor helping weak peasants survive longer".
The conclusion is:"it was best for peasants in Czarist Russia to be weak".
Does it really destroys the argument? Not really. What if the other ways were better, then in such case it won't destroy BUT if the other ways were not better, then in such case it will destroy".
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Re: From the perspective of long-term survival, it was best for [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2012, 12:31
Also chose A but got wrong. What if being week reduces ones lifespan and long term surviving skills thus rendering short? So simply by not going to army and remaining weak doesnt necessarily guarantee long survival
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