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General Management programs [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2008, 13:32
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A few questions about general management rotational programs:
1) Are there any backgrounds that tend to feed into GM programs? I got the sense from speaking with some current Fuqua students that really anyone can transition into GM, it's more about showing that you can learn easily. Is that what y'all have seen/heard?
2) It seems that most of them are in the manufacturing space (e.g. GE, John Deere). Is there a reason why? Is it just because it's easier to learn the skills associated with those programs in that type of industry?


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1) Are there any backgrounds that tend to feed into GM programs?

I don't necessarily think so. I always thought folks with any type of leadership/management experience could go into GM programs. Maybe people with marketing/sales backgrounds have a slight advantage for certain program (like the ECLP at GE), but that advantage is minor, if it exists at all.


2) It seems that most of them are in the manufacturing space (e.g. GE, John Deere). Is there a reason why? Is it just because it's easier to learn the skills associated with those programs in that type of industry?

GE's program is actually marketing + sales focused. From what I know, you do 4 rotations and then come off-program into a marketing manager or a regional sales manager role. If you meant that GE is a company in the manufacturing space, then you are half-correct. GE is probably more well-known for its industrial businesses, but currently the financial side of GE generates approximately 50% of the revenues (it used to be 60% a few months ago...you can probably guess what happened). There are ECLP roles available in both the industrial (GE Healthcare, GE Energy) as well as the financial businesses (GE Money, GE Aviation Financial Services).
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 08:35
Thanks msday!! That's a good point that even though companies maybe known for manuf/industry, the programs may allow you to focus on areas like healthcare. Looks like I have a bit more research to do on the various types of GM rotational programs out there :)
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In case anyone is interested, I did some googling of GM clubs at various schools (e.g. Kellogg) and found a few lists of companies that have GM rotational program/strategy type positions:
- 3M
- 3 Plus TV Network AG
- Abbott Laboratories
- Amazon.com
- Amphenol
- CIGNA
- John Deere
- Sony Corporation
- Walt Disney Studios
- Davita
- Colgate
- Kraft
- Toyota
- DuPont

Interestingly, most aren't located in big cities but in exciting places like...Bloomfield, CT.
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 09:08
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In case anyone is interested, I did some googling of GM clubs at various schools (e.g. Kellogg) and found a few lists of companies that have GM rotational program/strategy type positions:
- 3M
- 3 Plus TV Network AG
- Abbott Laboratories
- Amazon.com
- Amphenol
- CIGNA
- John Deere
- Sony Corporation
- Walt Disney Studios
- Davita
- Colgate
- Kraft
- Toyota
- DuPont

Interestingly, most aren't located in big cities but in exciting places like...Bloomfield, CT.


I think P&G also has this program.Some european companies might also have this,ex Nestle,Unilever.
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 09:11
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In case anyone is interested, I did some googling of GM clubs at various schools (e.g. Kellogg) and found a few lists of companies that have GM rotational program/strategy type positions:
- 3M
- 3 Plus TV Network AG
- Abbott Laboratories
- Amazon.com
- Amphenol
- CIGNA
- John Deere
- Sony Corporation
- Walt Disney Studios
- Davita
- Colgate
- Kraft
- Toyota
- DuPont

Interestingly, most aren't located in big cities but in exciting places like...Bloomfield, CT.


On that note, does anyone know of rotational programs that are located in big cities? The common stereotype is that these programs cater to older folks with families who are ready to settle down in the suburbs somewhere. Can someone dispel the stereotype?

Out of the list above, I know that DaVita, Disney, and Sony are in LA and Amazon.com is in Seattle. The rest I would assume are rural or suburban.

Are there any GM rotational programs in Downtown San Francisco or New York City?
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 10:45
I'm pretty sure Abbott is in Chicago, or close to it. You could always do a reverse commute. Many people I know working at big companies in San Jose do it from SF.
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I'm pretty sure Abbott is in Chicago, or close to it. You could always do a reverse commute. Many people I know working at big companies in San Jose do it from SF.



Abbott is actually in Evanston, right next to Kellogg!

Also, if the Sony program referring to is SONYBMG 1-Yr Rotation program, a friend of mine went through it and it's basically 2-six month rotation. First rotation is as a sales manager or marketing manager of one of their entertainment (movie or mosic) units. Then next 6 month is rotation in their London office doing similar thing. However, this is a contractual 1 yr program. depending on their evaluation, you are extended a full time offer or not.

Also for GE Finance rotation program....(specifically GE Commercial Finance)

My roommate went through that program right out of college. Apparently, they mix both undergrads and MBAs in same program. His first rotation was as investment analyst (only in title). Job description is basically - GE Capital has (or used to have - they are in so much trouble lately) triple A credit rating. They can borrow money at such low interest rate compared to others. Then there are mid size corporations with shakier credit rating.

GE Capital takes on these mid size corporations as their client. If the mid size corp can borrow money at 11% interest rate directly from banks, and GE can borrow at say 5%, GE will charge somewhere in between to the mid size corp. Mid size corporation now gets loan at (say) 9% interest rate. GE goes to bank to borrow this sum at 5% and profits off the interest rate difference. Role of investment analysts are to drive/travel to these clients (like auditors) and assess/value the client's liquid asset. If the client has suffient liquid asset and solid balance sheet, investment analyst writes up a good rec letter for the loan etc etc.

My roommate quit after one year due to excessive traveling and lower pay compared to others. He went to South Carolina to count (literally) cows because they were the client's liquid asset. He also went to Northern california and counted boxes/cases of frozen fish inside a large refrigerator.....

But he did this for a year and this background was good enough for him to get a job as risk management analyst at Bear Stearns. When Bear folded into JP, he ended up staying with JP and currently works there.
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 11:08
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1) Are there any backgrounds that tend to feed into GM programs? I got the sense from speaking with some current Fuqua students that really anyone can transition into GM, it's more about showing that you can learn easily. Is that what y'all have seen/heard?

GM isnt as hard to transfer into as some industries but most aren't as hard as you might thing. If you are at a top school companies know you are intelligent, motivated, and at most schools you will have a track record of success.

My experiences with GM recruiting so far: Note not many people recruit for it heavily compared to marketing, finance, or consulting.
-Engineering and consulting backgrounds seem to be valued, they like analytical abillites. IB'ers do well too.
-Engineers and consultants often have more relatent work experience, which is very valuable.
-Prior leadership experience is good, especially if you led teams with diverse backgrounds...manufacturers value people who can interact with not only other highly educated managers but the hourly employees.
-GM also happens to be more popular with people with engineering and consulting backgrounds.
-Most programs want a minimum of 3 to 4 years of work experience.
-Very few programs accept internationals


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2) It seems that most of them are in the manufacturing space (e.g. GE, John Deere). Is there a reason why? Is it just because it's easier to learn the skills associated with those programs in that type of industry?

The well known ones do tend to be in manufacturing space since these are a lot of the major companies that need GM. GE, Danaher, Deere, Eaton, Emerson...etc.
-CPG's have marketing as the feeders to the top of their companies
-Banks use their finance employees

If you look outside the box there are rotational programs in a large variety of industries such as energy, healthcare, services...and there are some international opportunities. If you look at companies that recruit at European schools it helps show there are companies overseas with programs such as Mittal, Rolls Royce, British Telecom, British American Tobacco...etc.


Also not all GM programs are rotational, some have more finance or strategy paths. Some great GM jobs aren't rotational at all. And some rotational programs arent strictly GM. Cargill is a strategy position and Chevron has a big finance program.
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 14:41
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Have you found very many GM programs that are located in big urban centers like NY, SF, LA, Chicago, or Boston?
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 14:50
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Have you found very many GM programs that are located in big urban centers like NY, SF, LA, Chicago, or Boston?


There are enough that you can find them if you want. I am pretty focused on energy and know of GM opportunities at big name companies in LA, SF, Chicago, DC, Atlanta, and tons in Texas. Along with other nice locations in decent sized cities. Rotational programs often move you around the country but not always. Diversified companies like Danaher have locations all over like consulting companies. You could be in Seattle or Chicago, if you want but you could choose to be in Blacksburg Virginia.

If you want a specific large city you could find companies with GM positions there. Minneapolis, Chicago, Seattle, Boston, NYC...you might just have to do more looking.

Also just like consulting you may not get what you want though.
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 15:01
In a good job market (aka not now), some companies will probably "create" a GM rotational program of you if they don't have an official, established one. My company offers one, getting picked for it usually means you are from either a top 3 school or a top 7 school with extremely extensive experience (more than 5 years) in a relevant sector.
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 17:36
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Have you found very many GM programs that are located in big urban centers like NY, SF, LA, Chicago, or Boston?



P&G has a rotation program based in SF. Apparently they are pretty selective and take people from Chicago, Haas, Wharton, Tuck, and Kellogg
http://www.pgecorp.com/aboutus/careers/ ... p_program/

I know Medtronic, Genentech, and Intel all have high quality MBA rotation program for their offices in Silicon Valley or SF
http://www.gene.com/gene/careers/univer ... /ordp.html
http://www.intel.com/jobs/usa/students/programs/mba.htm
http://www.medtronic.com/careers/studen ... /index.htm
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 19:49
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P&G has a rotation program based in SF. Apparently they are pretty selective and take people from Chicago, Haas, Wharton, Tuck, and Kellogg
http://www.pgecorp.com/aboutus/careers/ ... p_program/


Though P&G may hate Haas right now because last year they extended 9 offers and got 0 acceptances... I don't think those were rotational nor based in SF, but the ones based in the Midwest. :?
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 20:10
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P&G has a rotation program based in SF. Apparently they are pretty selective and take people from Chicago, Haas, Wharton, Tuck, and Kellogg
http://www.pgecorp.com/aboutus/careers/ ... p_program/


Though P&G may hate Haas right now because last year they extended 9 offers and got 0 acceptances... I don't think those were rotational nor based in SF, but the ones based in the Midwest. :?


Midwest like Chicago? or midwest like rural parts?
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 20:38
Note to those who dont know the difference. PG&E is pacific gas and electric, its a major utility (I do believe they recruit at Haas though Kry). P&G is a major CPG.

HUGE difference people. One generates and sells electricity...the other makes and sells swiffers.
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Re: General Management programs [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2008, 20:46
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Note to those who dont know the difference. PG&E is pacific gas and electric, its a major utility (I do believe they recruit at Haas though Kry). P&G is a major CPG.

HUGE difference people. One generates and sells electricity...the other makes and sells swiffers.



LOL, I just realized that zh posted P&G in his post and PG&E in the link... haha.

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P&G has a rotation program based in SF. Apparently they are pretty selective and take people from Chicago, Haas, Wharton, Tuck, and Kellogg
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Yes, PG&E does recruit at Haas and does have a rotation program based in SF.
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