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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2011, 10:01
tough one..would be great if any one gives better explanation
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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2011, 19:16
A real good one. Must say...

A - bingo !

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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2011, 00:14
A looks correct
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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2011, 05:56
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George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg ([color=#8000FF]something outrageous/no so basic work has to be perfomed in probable answer) [/color]is enough to make one despair of political humanity.

Shaw's statement would best serve as an illustration in an argument criticizing which of the following?

(A) Dentists who perform unnecessary dental work in order to earn a profit
(B) Doctors who increase their profits by specializing only in diseases that affect a large percentage of the population
(C) Grocers who raise the price of food in order to increase their profit margins
(D) Oil companies that decrease the price of their oil in order to increase their market share
(E) Bakers and surgeons who earn a profit by supplying other peoples basic needs


Trick for me was to spot the highlighted parts above - GB is lamenting on the unnecessary work of the practitioners to earn money not on the basic work done toearn so
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A
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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2011, 09:44
i would go with A

a very tricky Q.
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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 04 Sep 2011, 01:19
I narrowed it down to A or B. IMO says A.

I don't fully agree, because the option states that dentists perform unnecessary surgery. In the argument neither is bread or baking unnecessary, nor is cutting off the leg presented as unnecessary. Hypothetically, if one were to need a leg cut off to avoid spread of gangrene, that can't be deemed unnecessary.

So my point is, it doesn't state anything about unnecessary operations.

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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2011, 01:24
IMO A
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Re: CR : George Bernard Shaw wrote [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2011, 17:58
Great explanation by Kyle. A it is.
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2012, 04:22
It was tough question

I did not know the meaning of pecuniary,despair

How to handle these kind of questions if i come across in exam.
Simply gues with a min and go to next question?




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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2012, 04:28
Passage: That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg is enough to make one despair of political humanity
Simplified: Bakers will try to make more money by baking more bread, so by that logic surgeons will try to get more money by cutting off more legs.


A makes the most sense in context. Cutting off legs would be an unnecessary procedure for profit's sake only
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2012, 04:30
Price of bread is subject to laws of supply/demand. Surgeons case is not such.
Of course a case can be made that if Surgeon B charges less for his services than Surgeon A, then economics will work here too.

I read the stimulus thrice but was not very clear on what the message was- (pecuniary=monetary, but that still doesn't help)
Made an educated guess that GBS was trying to point out a systemic flaw from an ethical standpoint.

Thus dentists case looks more attractive.
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2012, 06:23
"That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg is enough to make one despair of political humanity."

Question Type: Parallel Reasoning?

Rephrase: A nation, knowing that it could provide for you a supply of bread by paying bakers to bake for you, instead pay surgeons to cut off your leg.

Pre-phrase- paying more to surgeons for something non-basic than for bakers who supply the basic need of bread (food).

(A) Dentists who perform unnecessary dental work in order to earn a profitCorrect, unnecessary work is analogous to being something that is not basic (such as cutting off someone's leg).
(B) Doctors who increase their profits by specializing only in diseases that affect a large percentage of the population- this would be providing for a basic need- wrong direction

(C) Grocers who raise the price of food in order to increase their profit margins- ehhh shell game
(D) Oil companies that decrease the price of their oil in order to increase their market share- wrong direction
(E) Bakers and surgeons who earn a profit by supplying other peoples basic needs- surgueons do not provide a basic need


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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2012, 11:25
that's very challenging. A and B seem similar but I would have to choose A, as it is more unethical, whereas B is just a business/financial choice.
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2012, 18:41
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George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg is enough to make one despair of political humanity.

Shaw's statement would best serve as an illustration in an argument criticizing which of the following?

(A) Dentists who perform unnecessary dental work in order to earn a profit
(B) Doctors who increase their profits by specializing only in diseases that affect a large percentage of the population
(C) Grocers who raise the price of food in order to increase their profit margins
(D) Oil companies that decrease the price of their oil in order to increase their market share
(E) Bakers and surgeons who earn a profit by supplying other peoples basic needs


Good question. Spent 1 min 50 seconds on it. Got A.

You really have to read the question stem properly to get this right. It asks what statement "would best serve as an illustration in an argument criticizing which of the following?" The key word is criticize.

Shaw does not criticize the baker in his statement. His whole idea is that a "sane" society (he does not believe this is sane) observes that a baker gets a reward for baking and uses the same method to get a surgeon to cut off a leg (by giving the surgeon a reward). He thinks this is a bad way of doing things in general because a surgeon should not receive money based on the number of legs he cuts off. He believes that a baker earning money for baking his goods is NOT a good thing to apply everywhere.

So, what else would fit the bill (no pun intended...well maybe a little)? "A" is the only one that makes sense. Other options really just talk about examples like the baker baking his/her goods.

I also did not know what "peciniary" meant. I took a guess that it meant something like "reward" or "money" and just went with it.
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2012, 02:38
IMO A


George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg is enough to make one despair of political humanity.

Shaw's statement would best serve as an illustration in an argument criticizing which of the following?

(A) Dentists who perform unnecessary dental work in order to earn a profit
(B) Doctors who increase their profits by specializing only in diseases that affect a large percentage of the population
(C) Grocers who raise the price of food in order to increase their profit margins
(D) Oil companies that decrease the price of their oil in order to increase their market share
(E) Bakers and surgeons who earn a profit by supplying other peoples basic needs

The argument clearly critizes the morality of a profession by making an analogy when bakers are given a pecuniary interest for baking more and surgeons cutting off leg just to make more money. similarly, dentists make more money by doing unnecessary dental work.
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 23 Jan 2013, 05:09
Real tough one ... got stuck between A and B ... finally chose A..
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2013, 03:04
Chose B but with all the discussion am convinced its A. Pecuniary is monetary interest but political humanity threw me off. Anyone can explain what context is political humanity used here?

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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2013, 12:54
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George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg is enough to make one despair of political humanity.

Shaw's statement would best serve as an illustration in an argument criticizing which of the following?

(A) Dentists who perform unnecessary dental work in order to earn a profit
(B) Doctors who increase their profits by specializing only in diseases that affect a large percentage of the population
(C) Grocers who raise the price of food in order to increase their profit margins
(D) Oil companies that decrease the price of their oil in order to increase their market share
(E) Bakers and surgeons who earn a profit by supplying other peoples basic needs


It took me awhile to understand what GB Shaw was saying so I read the prompt multiple times. Once I understood it, this was pretty straightforward.

A basic explanation of the prompt (IMO) is that GB thinks it sane to give a baker a monetary interest in making bread for you. But that sanity stops when it is stretched to giving someone a profit motive for doing something that can have a devastating impact on someone's life. This is part of a larger argument of private vs. public sector. For example - imagine a for profit fire department? Police department? Can you imagine what would happen if those two things were privately owned? So having a profit motive of having someone cut off legs makes GB lack faith in "political" humanity - or humanity period. Moving on to the actual answer choices:

A - Fits with this perfectly. Dentist pulling teeth unnecessarily to make money follows the same line of thinking.
B - These doctors aren't given the opportunity to perform things that aren't needed. They are making a personal decision on what field they are going into. Not relevant as far as I'm concerned.
C - Someone selling groceries is similar to a baker not someone cutting off legs. This isn't relevant either.
D - Once again this is not something with a twisted motive of causing personal harm. Yes you could argue it harms people's wallets if they decide to monopolize or oligopolize a particular industry but that is NOT equivalent to physically harming someone.
E - This is completely irrelevant. GB Shaw is not saying how they both provide needed services. He's critiquing the fact that surgeons provide a service that can be quite harmful if it is strictly a profit motive.

A jumped out at me for this one.
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2013, 17:45
vishy007 wrote:
George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg is enough to make one despair of political humanity.

Shaw's statement would best serve as an illustration in an argument criticizing which of the following?

(A) Dentists who perform unnecessary dental work in order to earn a profit
(B) Doctors who increase their profits by specializing only in diseases that affect a large percentage of the population
(C) Grocers who raise the price of food in order to increase their profit margins
(D) Oil companies that decrease the price of their oil in order to increase their market share
(E) Bakers and surgeons who earn a profit by supplying other peoples basic needs


1. I have never seen an answer being right that repeats something from the question. So I would have, and did, rule out E because it mentions BAKERS and SURGEONS. This is a trick answer designed to make the unwary fall for the trap.
2. Furthermore, the answer can't be E because cutting off legs is not a basic need. Sure, sustenance is a basic need, but half a correct answer is an incorrect answer.
3. Grocers increasing the price of food to increase their profit margins does not quite fit here. There must be a correlation. And that correlation here is earning money for something that is unnecessary/unethical. Lest I don't make myself clear with the above, think of it this way. If a doctor makes money from cutting off legs, s/he will cut off legs even when that is not absolutely necessary. And there goes the "unnecessary" in A.

I do admit though, I tested at 98th percentile in Verbal on my last test, am a lawyer, was an English major, and this was a toughie!!! I wasn't completely sure with my answer.
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Re: George Bernard Shaw wrote: That any sane nation, having [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2013, 19:14
Is this an LSAT question? The format didn't seem very GMAT like.
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