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Aj: For a general approach to DS questions look at the flowchart here https://gmatclub.com/forum/an-emerging-problem-studying-for-the-gmat-104013.html. For specific strategies I would consult the MGMAT guides. I completely agree with you that DS is more challenging than PS most of the time because your thinking for the problems can be disjointed and going back through your logic to check your work can be damn near impossible at times. There are a couple things you can do to help your accuracy:

1. Organize your work on the scratchpad so that it's easy to follow. On one side maybe write "Check 1," and include all of your work checking to see if (1) is sufficient. Then on the other side of the page write "Check 2," and do the same. This will ensure that you don't get the work confused.
2. Write out counterexamples explicitly and circle your conclusions. For example if you're trying to see if |x| > 1 is sufficient to say x > 0, you could write x = 2 (YES) and x = -2 (NO) and then in big letters circled write "INSUFFICIENT." There should be no doubt when you check through that thought process later because you have written the counterexample down explicitly.

I haven't seen a way to sign up for a Kaplan Real Test Day experience without signing up for the course, but Kaplan has a good refund policy so what I did was: I signed up for the cheapest self-study course (about $450 USD) and Kaplan will refund 75% of your course fee if you only use one CAT/resource. So I ended up paying about $113 for the test (cheap compared to a $250 GMAT!!!).

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gablaze: Read chineseburned's AWA guide (linked above). I always took an AWA with my CATs. Once you are decently prepared for Quant and Verbal I recommend ALWAYS doing this for a couple of reasons:

1. Taking an AWA best simulates the actual fatigue you'll feel during the exam
2. You want to practice the templates/techniques/timing for the AWA as well as getting used to thinking of ideas quickly

To be honest, from what I've seen your AWA score doesn't matter too much. Neglecting it in your prep though is likely to throw you off during the real test and if you're struggling or thinking too hard in the first hour of the GMAT, it will negatively influence your performance for the latter two sections.

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Whoa, excellent score! And thank you for sharing your GMAT experience and providing us with some general advice. Debriefs such as this truly help others to reach their goals.

Congrats! :)
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Excellent advice and congratulations!
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congratulations...great score

alss curious about class of 15...why did you take GMAT now ?
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akhilesh: I would say that both Kaplan and MGMAT questions are pretty close to the GMAT. I didn't have as much experience with Kaplan, but at least for MGMAT I found that the real GMAT "felt" pretty close to an MGMAT section. If I had to choose one, I would say MGMAT was maybe a little tougher than the real GMAT (the toughest questions were more challenging, there were maybe a few more of them and I could see more "tricks"). Some things that MGMAT likes to do:

1. DS questions where you have to try a lot of cases with different numbers. The real GMAT had these too, but at least for my sitting they weren't as challenging.
2. Absolute value questions where some of the solutions don't work (you solve for both positive and negative and one of them doesn't agree with the original equation). I don't remember encountering that on the real GMAT.
3. Questions where if you assume everything is an integer you'll get them wrong.
4. Hard geometry problems.

Of course all of this evidence is anecdotal, but from what I've read on the forums, MGMAT does tend to be a bit more tricky. I'm not saying the real GMAT doesn't have questions like those above, but I think it's more straightforward.

I can't comment on the Kaplan Verbal stuff, but MGMAT was solid for that too. I would still use the OG though if you have a choice.
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BearBelly: It sounds like you're on the right track! A couple recommendations:

1. Make sure your practice in the last week is a mix between doing/reviewing new CATs and looking at the mistakes you made on past tests. Especially for SC, finding patterns in the mistakes you make is critical to avoid making them in the future.
2. Take the last day or two off before your exam. Do not go into the test center CAT-fatigued. You can still review questions here and there, but don't do any full tests the day before.
3. Read chineseburned's AWA guide and do some practice there.

Thanks again for your advice after I took my diagnostic, it was helpful to move my test date up. Best of luck next week!
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BearBelly: It sounds like you're on the right track! A couple recommendations:

1. Make sure your practice in the last week is a mix between doing/reviewing new CATs and looking at the mistakes you made on past tests. Especially for SC, finding patterns in the mistakes you make is critical to avoid making them in the future.
2. Take the last day or two off before your exam. Do not go into the test center CAT-fatigued. You can still review questions here and there, but don't do any full tests the day before.
3. Read chineseburned's AWA guide and do some practice there.

Thanks again for your advice after I took my diagnostic, it was helpful to move my test date up. Best of luck next week!


Thanks man!

I will keep these pointers in my mind ... Moreover, since I am not a native English speaker (I am from India), I am facing timing issues in verbal and I am trying to minimize those too ..

Wish me luck !
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Great debrief and impressive score. Well done!
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Congratulations on your magnificent score.

I loved these summary points:

5. Take a day or two off before the exam
7. Take all of the breaks even if you don't think you need them
8. Think positive thoughts going in and promise yourself a reward at the end
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allen: I have found that for CR and RC, experience from doing many, many questions is the most valuable tool you can bring into the test center. Once you have seen hundreds of examples of these question types you should be able to anticipate the answers to questions sometimes even before you read the answer choices. When I prepped for the LSAT I had exposure to countless difficult CR and RC questions, so I was lucky to have a good base there.

It's different for SC. SC is an easier section to prepare for because there is a finite number of things that they can spring on you and they are all basically covered in the MGMAT SC Guide (and other books too I'm sure). You need to be comfortable recognizing the major patterns (verb tense, pronoun/modifier, concision) and you should avoid as much as possible "going with your gut." For that reason, I recommend reviewing both the questions you get right and the ones you get wrong in SC, reading the explanations carefully. You want to get to a point where you can answer a SC and specifically point to the reasons why the other 4 answer choices are incorrect. Doing SC questions by "feel" (reading all of the choices and picking the one that sounds best), works sometimes, but it won't be consistent enough to guarantee you the score you want.

Make a list of idioms that you've learned while doing problems. Do SC questions in batches of 10 and immediately review the answers. Keep a good error log and redo questions you got incorrect (or did too slowly) periodically.

Hope that helps!
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metallica: I only did that for SC because I found that I could sometimes pick the right answer for SC for the wrong reasons. For other question types (especially for Quant), if I solved the problem it was almost always for the right reasons.

I could see how this technique could be useful for CR and RC, but I would only do it if you are really struggling with those question types. Otherwise, you're wasting a lot of time looking over explanations of what you already did.
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Best of luck! Let me know if there's any other advice I can give =)
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