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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
01 Oct 2010, 15:24
kseel wrote: Maybe I'm just misreading this, but something seems off to me.
The first trip takes x amount of time at s speed for both buses from opposite directions. If P is not city M - then why would they ever meet outside the city on one of the buses sides? It seems like the wording means they are going to the city N and stopping.
Same with the second part, how will they meet away from city N if they are coming from opposite directions and not passing through?
M >-----------------N----------------X(second bus home)
given the wording, it seems to me P lies somewhere in between M and N or N and X. Am I misreading it? Otherwise, I understand the math. Just wondering why they would ever meet outside the city.
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
09 Oct 2010, 09:43
I solved it in the following way:
Assumed distance between M and N to be = 2D miles Distance travelled by each bus = D miles Time taken to cover the distance = 2 hours Speed of each bus = D/2 miles per hour
Since the meeting point has now moved 24 miles away from point P, hence Distance travelled by one bus would be (D+24) miles and the Distance travelled by the other bus would be (D-24) miles. The time difference between the two buses is one hour (24+36). Time = Distance/Speed [(D+24)/(D/2)] - [(D-24)/(D/2)] = 1 Solving the equation gives D = 96 miles
The distance between M and N is thus 2D = 192 miles.
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
17 Oct 2010, 10:04
tingle15 wrote: I solved it in the following way:
Assumed distance between M and N to be = 2D miles Distance travelled by each bus = D miles Time taken to cover the distance = 2 hours Speed of each bus = D/2 miles per hour
Since the meeting point has now moved 24 miles away from point P, hence Distance travelled by one bus would be (D+24) miles and the Distance travelled by the other bus would be (D-24) miles. The time difference between the two buses is one hour (24+36). Time = Distance/Speed [(D+24)/(D/2)] - [(D-24)/(D/2)] = 1 Solving the equation gives D = 96 miles
The distance between M and N is thus 2D = 192 miles. This problem has driven me crazy for more than 1 hr now, I am trying to find what is the issue in my understanding.. Worst, I am getting 3 diff answers.. I assume total dist i.e. dist bet cities = D. Total time = 240 min. Constant speed for both buses = D/240. RTD Chart T R D 240 D/240 D 156 (i.e.120+36) D/240 (D/2) + 24 For bus leaving early, no need to care abt other bus96 (i.e. 120-24) D/240 (D/2) - 24 For bus leaving late, no need to care abt other bus1st Linear equation for D (bus leaving early): (156D)/240 = (D/2) + 24=>D=160 2nd Linear equation for D (bus leaving late): (96D)/240 = (D/2) - 24=>D=240 3rd case, same as tingle15 above: ( (D/2) + 24 ) /(D/240) - ( (D/2) - 24 ) /(D/240) = 156 - 96=>D=192 (OE). Also, since speed is constant, even using simple direct proportion, we get D=160: 36->24 240->D =>D=160 Can Bunuel/somebody pls explain the mistake here/if the no. 24 in the question should be changed..Worst, I hope there is no calculation mistake on my part.. Thanks.
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
09 Dec 2010, 13:53
Sorry to dig out this question... I tried to simplify it to the greatest degree. To me, since the other bus has 1 hour advantage and travels 24 miles farther, alludes that 1 hour of trip=24 miles. Since they traveled 4 hours total, it would equal 96 miles. I do understand above explanations, but just wanted to expose the pitfall some may have fell into.
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
09 May 2011, 12:20
Can someone help me with my flaw in logic please?
24minutes /60 minutes = .4 hours 36 minutes / 60 min = .6 hours
NOT .5!!
So, bus one (we'll call M) drove 1.6 hours to get to p-24 Bus two (bus N) drove 24 minutes + 36 minutes + the 1.6 hours that M was driving = 2.6 hours.
1.6*M = P - 24 2.6*N = P + 24 So, 2N = P and 2M = P...
2.6N - P - 24 = 2N - P yields: .6N = 24 > N = 40 mph
1.6M - P + 24 = 2M - P yields: 24 = .4M > M = 60 mph
2h * 60 mph = 120 miles (bus M) 2h * 40mph = 80 miles (bus N)
= 200 miles?
The biggest issue I am having is how they are getting 1.5, 2.5, etc. 36 minutes / 60 minutes = .6 hours not .5 HOURS!
Thanks!
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
09 May 2011, 17:54
Sure.
Let's say 12p.m. is the scheduled departure...
Bus M was scheduled to leave at 12, but was delayed 24 min (.4 hours...24min / 60min). So, this left at 12:24 p.m.
Bus N was scheduled to leave at 12 p.m. as well, but left 36 minutes early at 11:24 a.m. Bus N takes at LEAST 2 hours to get to point P. Thus, it cannot arrive before 1:24 p.m., however, we know that bus N travels farther since we are going past point P (or you can look at it as M can at best reach half way to point P since it has only been going for an hour at 1:24 p.m.). Thus, you go to 2 p.m. which is the original area they would have met at point P, but bus M is not to point P since delayed (it is 24 miles short) and bus N has been going longer than 2 hours which is how it gets to be P+24.
Let me know if that helps or further confuses..i realize that was incredibly wordy.
Also, in case that equation wasn't clear... Bus M only gets to drive 1.6 hours (delayed 24 min, 24 min / 60 = .4, 2-.4 = 1.6 hours). And 36 min early departure + 24 min. the delay that bus N didn't experience = 1 hour extra that bus N gets to drive over bus M. Thus:
Bus M: 1.6x = P - 24 (24 miles shorter than point P) and... Bus N: 2.6x = p + 24 (went 24 miles past point P in the 1 hour extra it had compared to bus M)
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
10 May 2011, 03:30
itsagulati wrote: Sure.
Let's say 12p.m. is the scheduled departure...
Bus M was scheduled to leave at 12, but was delayed 24 min (.4 hours...24min / 60min). So, this left at 12:24 p.m.
Bus N was scheduled to leave at 12 p.m. as well, but left 36 minutes early at 11:24 a.m. Bus N takes at LEAST 2 hours to get to point P. Thus, it cannot arrive before 1:24 p.m., however, we know that bus N travels farther since we are going past point P (or you can look at it as M can at best reach half way to point P since it has only been going for an hour at 1:24 p.m.). Thus, you go to 2 p.m. which is the original area they would have met at point P, but bus M is not to point P since delayed (it is 24 miles short) and bus N has been going longer than 2 hours which is how it gets to be P+24.lost you here
Let me know if that helps or further confuses..i realize that was incredibly wordy.
Also, in case that equation wasn't clear... Bus M only gets to drive 1.6 hours (delayed 24 min, 24 min / 60 = .4, 2-.4 = 1.6 hours). And 36 min early departure + 24 min. the delay that bus N didn't experience = 1 hour extra that bus N gets to drive over bus M. Thus:
Bus M: 1.6x = P - 24 (24 miles shorter than point P) and... Bus N: 2.6x = p + 24 (went 24 miles past point P in the 1 hour extra it had compared to bus M) M leaves @ 12:24PM N leaves @ 11:24AM As you rightly said: N travels P/2 distance until 12:24PM, when M starts its journey. Let's try to understand this using a line. Let the two extreme points be X and Y. I. X(M)---------------------------P---------------------------(N)Y @11:24AM, where XP=YP II. X(M)---------------------------P------------(N)R--------------Y @12:24PM, because N left early and covered half of YP; PR=RY=1/4*XY III. X--------------------(M)(N)T-------P-------------R-------------Y @Some time after 1:24PM. The important thing to note here is that the point, let's call it T, where "MN" have met is again midway from X and R in the immediately previous line(II). Why? Because M and N travels with same constant speed. PR+PT=XT [:Note: T is midway from X and R] PR+24=XT PR=1/2*PY=1/2*1/2*(XY) [:note: P is midway from X and Y] XT=PR+24=1/4*XY+24 --------------------------1 Also, XT=XY-TY=XY-(PY+PT)=XY-(1/2*XY+24)=1/2*XY-24---------------------2 Equate 1 and 2: 1/4*XY + 24 = 1/2*XY - 24 1/4*XY=48 XY=48*4=192 ****************************************************** See it another way; XT= 3/8*XY M travels XY in 4 hours M would travel 3/8*XY in (3/8)*4=1.5 hours Thus, M and N meet 1.5 hours after M starts its journey i.e. @1:54PM ******************************************************** Please let me know if something is unclear.
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
10 May 2011, 04:12
Its a blinder.In the second journey, 1 bus should be ahead of the other as it has 1 hr lead.More so, the speeds have not changed too.
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
03 Dec 2011, 13:05
this was tricky....moreover it dosent look like a 600 level ques......Should have been 700+... Or may be i am confused because of the wordings....
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Re: GMAT Diagnostic Test Question 25 [#permalink]
18 Jan 2012, 08:32
Great question, but I'd agree: There's no way this would be a 600-level-question. 700 sounds about right.
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