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10 Dec 2012, 09:31
Hey,

I just took the MGMAT CAT 1 and scored a dismal 540 (Q32, V33). I couldn't complete both sections in the stipulated 75 minutes. I completed only 28 questions in Quant and 35 questions in Verbal. Could you please advise. I'm planning to take the GMAT in three weeks time.

I took the GMATPrep a few months back and scored a 530 (Q41, V26). At that time, I guessed on the last three quant problems and couldn't complete the last6-7 verbal questions.....Although my verbal score shows some improvement, my quant score has tanked. I have read through half of MGMAT SC (stopped at idioms), full CR bible and MGMAT RC books for verbal. I've also brushed through the quant books of MGMAT.

I haven't touched OG as yet. Thought I should be getting a decent score of 650-700 with the current preparation, but I'm shocked. With little time left, I'm confused what to do.

I'd appreciate any honest suggestions.

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10 Dec 2012, 11:05
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Hey,

I just took the MGMAT CAT 1 and scored a dismal 540 (Q32, V33). I couldn't complete both sections in the stipulated 75 minutes. I completed only 28 questions in Quant and 35 questions in Verbal. Could you please advise. I'm planning to take the GMAT in three weeks time.

I took the GMATPrep a few months back and scored a 530 (Q41, V26). At that time, I guessed on the last three quant problems and couldn't complete the last6-7 verbal questions.....Although my verbal score shows some improvement, my quant score has tanked. I have read through half of MGMAT SC (stopped at idioms), full CR bible and MGMAT RC books for verbal. I've also brushed through the quant books of MGMAT.

I haven't touched OG as yet. Thought I should be getting a decent score of 650-700 with the current preparation, but I'm shocked. With little time left, I'm confused what to do.

I'd appreciate any honest suggestions.

Thanks!

If you take highest score of each section from both your mock test, it will be 610 (Q41, V33).

See the link for details: gmat-scores-83890.html

Great improvement in Verbal. DO THE OG ASAP - ESPECIALLY , ALL THE VERBAL SECTION.

There is no need to lose hope. You just need to identify the problem area and work upon it.
So when you say you get a low score, there are two reasons for it:
1. You get more questions wrong - in this is the case, its time to go back to the basics. Short-list the areas where you are weak and get thorough with the concepts.
2. You have time crunch which leaves some questions un-attempted - here, take more and more full time practice tests

Prepare for 1 week/10 days. And give Gmat prep again, if your score is within the targeted score range i.e 650 -700. The go for the exam, otherwise postpone it.

Regarding the reference to the GMAT scores link - I think the scoring has changed over the past few years. In fact the MGMAT CAT 1, which I took a few hours ago, mentioned that post-Aug 29th, the scoring algorithm has changed and a 33 in quant back then is now a 32, and a 35 back then is now a 33 in verbal. In short, the scoring algorithm in now stricter then it was before.

I'm not sure if taking the highest score from each section makes sense. That's because one was GMATPrep and the other is MGMAT. Secondly, there's three month gap between these two tests, with not much study done in between.

Any specific reason for suggesting the OG Verbal right away?

Also, should I do one section at a time? I mean complete OG Verbal, then Quant and then do another mock test?

In terms of getting a low score, I think I'm doing both wrong things you mentioned - getting questions wrong plus screwing up drastically on timing.

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10 Dec 2012, 12:51
I checked the link again. It said updated in Sept 2012. But that's recent enough for me to consider. Thanks for pointing out.

Yes, I'll do one section at a time. Verbal first.

Also, what do you suggest for Quant? You seem to be good at it, isn't it?
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11 Dec 2012, 11:55
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I checked the link again. It said updated in Sept 2012. But that's recent enough for me to consider. Thanks for pointing out.

Yes, I'll do one section at a time. Verbal first.

Also, what do you suggest for Quant? You seem to be good at it, isn't it?

For quant, brush up your basics from gmat-math-book-87417.html.
And then practice, practice..and practice...

Once you reach at 45..then use Gmat club tests.

Now, how to reach 50 from 45 refer this:

the-final-climb-quest-for-q-50-from-q47-129441.html

Thanks!

How do you compare the GMAT math book as against the 5 MGMAT quant books? Both contain only concepts right? Any difference between the two?
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12 Dec 2012, 05:21
worldofecofin wrote:
I checked the link again. It said updated in Sept 2012. But that's recent enough for me to consider. Thanks for pointing out.

Yes, I'll do one section at a time. Verbal first.

Also, what do you suggest for Quant? You seem to be good at it, isn't it?

Try out gmatquantum for quant best explanations in my opinion you can learn so much from the free video solutions on that website.

The free resources include GMAT paper test solution, OG 10 - 13, Quant review etc if you sign up for his course, you get 15 hours of self tutoring and lots of other good stuff. Though, I haven't signed up for his course my judgement is purely based on the quality of the video solutions. He has started a 10 dollar promo recently so you can access the vids for 10 days as a trial period.

http://gmatquantum.com/
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12 Dec 2012, 07:32
worldofecofin wrote:
greatps24 wrote:
worldofecofin wrote:
I checked the link again. It said updated in Sept 2012. But that's recent enough for me to consider. Thanks for pointing out.

Yes, I'll do one section at a time. Verbal first.

Also, what do you suggest for Quant? You seem to be good at it, isn't it?

For quant, brush up your basics from gmat-math-book-87417.html.
And then practice, practice..and practice...

Once you reach at 45..then use Gmat club tests.

Now, how to reach 50 from 45 refer this:

the-final-climb-quest-for-q-50-from-q47-129441.html

Thanks!

How do you compare the GMAT math book as against the 5 MGMAT quant books? Both contain only concepts right? Any difference between the two?

I didn't used MGMAT Quant. As i have math's note from one of my friend, who scored 740. But, yes i do refer GMAT Math book to revise as they are very much gmat focused (not so many rules to learn). And , when you do GC test, you can get all the concepts and clarification from GMAT Math book. NOTE: GC test contains toughest questions of GMAT.
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12 Dec 2012, 09:40
How much can one learn from the GC tests? I mean do they cover a variety of problems and concepts along with the right methodology discussed through the solutions? I understand that they have 1200+ questions and 2 tests are free. How many questions are included in those 2 tests? Also, how different is the remaining 4 tests from the first two?
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12 Dec 2012, 09:45
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worldofecofin wrote:
I checked the link again. It said updated in Sept 2012. But that's recent enough for me to consider. Thanks for pointing out.

Yes, I'll do one section at a time. Verbal first.

Also, what do you suggest for Quant? You seem to be good at it, isn't it?

Try out gmatquantum for quant best explanations in my opinion you can learn so much from the free video solutions on that website.

The free resources include GMAT paper test solution, OG 10 - 13, Quant review etc if you sign up for his course, you get 15 hours of self tutoring and lots of other good stuff. Though, I haven't signed up for his course my judgement is purely based on the quality of the video solutions. He has started a 10 dollar promo recently so you can access the vids for 10 days as a trial period.

http://gmatquantum.com/

You have both GMAT Quantum as well as GMAT Pill in your signature. Which do you think is better?

Also, how good is each Pill (PS, DS, SC, CR, RC, IR) of the GMAT Pill?
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12 Dec 2012, 09:57
worldofecofin wrote:
How much can one learn from the GC tests? I mean do they cover a variety of problems and concepts along with the right methodology discussed through the solutions? I understand that they have 1200+ questions and 2 tests are free. How many questions are included in those 2 tests? Also, how different is the remaining 4 tests from the first two?

Yes. GC tests cover all and most of the solutions/explanations provided by GC is not more than 3 steps/lines.
So, if you master GC tests (Quant specifically), you have higher chances to get atleast 48 in Quant.
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12 Dec 2012, 10:14
greatps24 wrote:
worldofecofin wrote:
How much can one learn from the GC tests? I mean do they cover a variety of problems and concepts along with the right methodology discussed through the solutions? I understand that they have 1200+ questions and 2 tests are free. How many questions are included in those 2 tests? Also, how different is the remaining 4 tests from the first two?

Yes. GC tests cover all and most of the solutions/explanations provided by GC is not more than 3 steps/lines.
So, if you master GC tests (Quant specifically), you have higher chances to get atleast 48 in Quant.

Cool. I'll consider that once I'm done with basics and I'm hitting 45 at least.
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12 Dec 2012, 19:30
worldofecofin wrote:

You have both GMAT Quantum as well as GMAT Pill in your signature. Which do you think is better?

Also, how good is each Pill (PS, DS, SC, CR, RC, IR) of the GMAT Pill?

I'm pretty good at quant so started of with verbal, the quant pill seem good (haven't done much of the PS,DS, IR pill so I can't really comment on them) though its good enough to get a score of 46-49 but if your looking for 50-51 I think quantum would be better its very detailed (15 hours of video solution, has video solution to entire gmat prep pack 1, gmatfocus test, 700 questions from gmat prep, 1 year access). Here's an amazing feature of gmatpill its lifetime membership (you never lose access to the course) / lifetime support and you get all the upgrades free of cost. At first, I thought these upgrades happened every 6 months or something, but I was wrong they upgrade very frequently, 2 upgrades were released last month one for SC and 4 quant vids (the permutation combination video is really good very detailed, my trouble area in quant)

Verbal pill is awesome, Its very simple to understand and very good attack strategies. The gmat pill is all about thought process, helps you think effectively and efficiently through a problem.

How do you know if you classify for this course? The answer is here - remember whatever course you pick must suit your study style if it doesn't don't bother with the course.

http://www.gmatpill.com/amember/course_details.php

The entire practice pill will have video solutions pretty soon ( 800 questions with video solution) and they are planning to release more quant upgrades, the android app of gmat pill it already has an ipad version ( I think its the only online course that has the entire course on ipad, though I might be wrong), CAT's. so you can study on the go and pretty much have the gmat pill anywhere you go, another important feature for me.

I could provide links of samples if your interested in the course.
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13 Dec 2012, 14:22
nelz007 wrote:
worldofecofin wrote:

You have both GMAT Quantum as well as GMAT Pill in your signature. Which do you think is better?

Also, how good is each Pill (PS, DS, SC, CR, RC, IR) of the GMAT Pill?

I'm pretty good at quant so started of with verbal, the quant pill seem good (haven't done much of the PS,DS, IR pill so I can't really comment on them) though its good enough to get a score of 46-49 but if your looking for 50-51 I think quantum would be better its very detailed (15 hours of video solution, has video solution to entire gmat prep pack 1, gmatfocus test, 700 questions from gmat prep, 1 year access). Here's an amazing feature of gmatpill its lifetime membership (you never lose access to the course) / lifetime support and you get all the upgrades free of cost. At first, I thought these upgrades happened every 6 months or something, but I was wrong they upgrade very frequently, 2 upgrades were released last month one for SC and 4 quant vids (the permutation combination video is really good very detailed, my trouble area in quant)

Verbal pill is awesome, Its very simple to understand and very good attack strategies. The gmat pill is all about thought process, helps you think effectively and efficiently through a problem.

How do you know if you classify for this course? The answer is here - remember whatever course you pick must suit your study style if it doesn't don't bother with the course.

http://www.gmatpill.com/amember/course_details.php

The entire practice pill will have video solutions pretty soon ( 800 questions with video solution) and they are planning to release more quant upgrades, the android app of gmat pill it already has an ipad version ( I think its the only online course that has the entire course on ipad, though I might be wrong), CAT's. so you can study on the go and pretty much have the gmat pill anywhere you go, another important feature for me.

I could provide links of samples if your interested in the course.

I actually bought all their Pills
I went through SC basics and RC basics some time back. I found them good. Then I started reading books instead - MGMAT, CR bible and now I decided to make a tight schedule and do all pills one by one. Started off with CR. Got bored within 30 mins. I think the CR bible was much better.
I'm no wondering whether sticking to books is a better option. But, I'll end up wasting the the money spent on all the Pills then
Also, the time I'll be spending on going through each video is quite a bit. And you mentioned above that I'll still need to do a lot more to get a Q50/51. So doesn't it make sense just to stick to MGMAT and GC tests in Quant?
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13 Dec 2012, 19:23
worldofecofin wrote:

I actually bought all their Pills
I went through SC basics and RC basics some time back. I found them good. Then I started reading books instead - MGMAT, CR bible and now I decided to make a tight schedule and do all pills one by one. Started off with CR. Got bored within 30 mins. I think the CR bible was much better.
I'm no wondering whether sticking to books is a better option. But, I'll end up wasting the the money spent on all the Pills then
Also, the time I'll be spending on going through each video is quite a bit. And you mentioned above that I'll still need to do a lot more to get a Q50/51. So doesn't it make sense just to stick to MGMAT and GC tests in Quant?

Have you watched the new table top framework vids those are pretty good (247 mins I think) those vids are really good but if you like to study from books then watching vids won't help. I'm the other way around lol I prefer watching from vids. I think manhattan and GC tests should be enough don't study too many materials that will makes things worse in my opinion. check out dabral's free videos they have really good explanations.

The old saying "Too many Chefs spoil the broth" fits perfectly here.
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14 Dec 2012, 00:18
nelz007 wrote:
worldofecofin wrote:

I actually bought all their Pills
I went through SC basics and RC basics some time back. I found them good. Then I started reading books instead - MGMAT, CR bible and now I decided to make a tight schedule and do all pills one by one. Started off with CR. Got bored within 30 mins. I think the CR bible was much better.
I'm no wondering whether sticking to books is a better option. But, I'll end up wasting the the money spent on all the Pills then
Also, the time I'll be spending on going through each video is quite a bit. And you mentioned above that I'll still need to do a lot more to get a Q50/51. So doesn't it make sense just to stick to MGMAT and GC tests in Quant?

Have you watched the new table top framework vids those are pretty good (247 mins I think) those vids are really good but if you like to study from books then watching vids won't help. I'm the other way around lol I prefer watching from vids. I think manhattan and GC tests should be enough don't study too many materials that will makes things worse in my opinion. check out dabral's free videos they have really good explanations.

The old saying "Too many Chefs spoil the broth" fits perfectly here.

How do you compare the CR pill to CR bible?

Also, your thoughts on MGMAT Quant + GC test vs quant pill?

I'm not asking about the other SC and RC, since I've already seen those and have an idea myself.
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15 Dec 2012, 07:18
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How do you compare the CR pill to CR bible?

Also, your thoughts on MGMAT Quant + GC test vs quant pill?

I'm not asking about the other SC and RC, since I've already seen those and have an idea myself.

I wouldn't be in a position to judge those materials but I would advise you to practice those questions within the pills.
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15 Dec 2012, 10:45
HI,

I have finished CR from Gmatprep question pack,OG12, OG Verbal 1& 2nd edition.
But, I need to practice more. Can anyone tell me good source of CR for practice? Is Lsat CR good and relevant? If yes, can you please let me know from where can i get the LSAT CR questions

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15 Dec 2012, 11:10
greatps24 wrote:
HI,

I have finished CR from Gmatprep question pack,OG12, OG Verbal 1& 2nd edition.
But, I need to practice more. Can anyone tell me good source of CR for practice? Is Lsat CR good and relevant? If yes, can you please let me know from where can i get the LSAT CR questions

BR

I've gone through the CR bible. I think its good. You should check that out. I've gone through half of CR questions from OG 13 and I feel I'm doing fine. I'd keep you updated on the statistics that I pull from the OG Archer once I complete this section. But, if you haven't checked out CR Bible, you should.
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15 Dec 2012, 11:13
nelz007 wrote:
worldofecofin wrote:

How do you compare the CR pill to CR bible?

Also, your thoughts on MGMAT Quant + GC test vs quant pill?

I'm not asking about the other SC and RC, since I've already seen those and have an idea myself.

I wouldn't be in a position to judge those materials but I would advise you to practice those questions within the pills.

Practice which questions within the pill? I didn't quite get you.

I'm just looking for difference in methodology of Pill vs other sources. I found the SC and RC Pill to be good, though not overly brilliant. I just wanna go a quick preparation rather than use 1000 sources to study one thing. I wanna move to other important things in life post-GMAT, so earlier I'm done with it, the better.
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16 Dec 2012, 22:13
Hi mate can you please post the link for MGMAT cat tests.

Abhinav

worldofecofin wrote:
greatps24 wrote:
worldofecofin wrote:
How much can one learn from the GC tests? I mean do they cover a variety of problems and concepts along with the right methodology discussed through the solutions? I understand that they have 1200+ questions and 2 tests are free. How many questions are included in those 2 tests? Also, how different is the remaining 4 tests from the first two?

Yes. GC tests cover all and most of the solutions/explanations provided by GC is not more than 3 steps/lines.
So, if you master GC tests (Quant specifically), you have higher chances to get atleast 48 in Quant.

Cool. I'll consider that once I'm done with basics and I'm hitting 45 at least.

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