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Oftentimes on the GMAT, you will be picking between 2 options.


1) sometimes both options are actually OK
2) sometimes 1 option is preferred by GMAC folks over the other (even though both can be argued to be technically correct)

Now why would a #2 situation come up?

Well, you see – the GMAT directions are to choose the BEST of the available options. So even though two options can be technically / grammatically OK – only one is the PREFERRED GMAT answer.

Our job is to help you quickly and easily identify that PREFERRED answer.

So we came up with a rule to help you – a rule that holds true for virtually all Official Guide and GMATPrep questions.


Here's the RULE


In the specific idiomatic case of “to do X” vs “for/from doing X”

--> Always choose “to do X”

In the specific idiomatic case of “for doing X” vs “does X”

--> Always choose “does X”




Not convinced? Read on…


GMAT Pill has done the homework on Official Guide and GMATPrep questions to provide you specific examples supporting the rule above.


Example #1: Official Guide (OG13) SC18



Quote:
18. Warning that computers in the United States are not secure, the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation to revamp computer security procedures, institute new emergency response teams, creating a special nongovernment organization to take charge of computer security planning.

(D) and create a special nongovernment organization for taking
(E) and create a special nongovernment organization to take



Notice the only difference between (D) and (E) is the last two words. You are tasked to choose between “for taking” and “to take.”

Well, the official answer is (E) “to take” – supporting our rule that “to do X” is preferred on the GMAT over “for doing X.”

Some grammar experts will argue that both are OK – but on the GMAT, we at GMAT Pill know that answer choice (E) is the one to pick.
Now, not all answer choices will be so clear cut in terms of differing from other answer choices by only that one concept. Below are more real examples from OG and GMAT Prep.





Example #2: Official Guide (OG13) SC51



Quote:
51. A new study suggests that the conversational pace of everyday life may be so brisk it hampers the ability of some children for distinguishing discrete sounds and words and, the result is to make sense of speech.

(A) it hampers the ability of some children for distinguishing discrete sounds and words and, the result is, to make

(B) that it hampers the ability of some children to distinguish discrete sounds and words and, as a result, to make


Is it “the ability to distinguish” or “the ability for distinguishing” ?

Here (B) is the answer – so we know “ability to distinguish” is the right one.

Sure, there are other elements wrong with (A).

For example, (A) is missing the word “that” in the very beginning. The phrase should read:

“…so brisk THAT it [the conversational pace…] hampers the ability…”

So yes, (A) has problems BESIDES the concept we are discussing here.

But even IF (A) and (B) were exactly the same except for “for distinguishing” vs “to distinguish” – we would STILL choose “to distinguish” (answer B).


Example #3: Official Guide (OG13) SC34



Quote:
34. Beyond the immediate cash flow crisis that the museum faces, its survival depends on if it can broaden its membership and leave its cramped quarters for a site where it can store and exhibit its more than 12,000 artifacts.

(D) its ability for broadening its membership and leaving

The official guide explanation specifically says that (D) should be “its ability to broaden, not for broadening”

So this provides further support to the thesis that GMAC folks do not like the “for doing X” option.



Example #4: Official Guide (OG13) SC34



2 examples in 1

Quote:
68. Outlining his strategy for nursing the troubled conglomerate back to health, the chief executive's plans were announced on Wednesday for cutting the company's huge debt bv selling nearly $12 billion in assets over the next 18 months.


First, let’s look at the first few words of this sentece:

“Outlining his strategy for nursing…”

Clearly, this is the non-underlined portion of the sentence so we can safely assume that the grammar here is correct.

This does not necessarily mean the other option is wrong. It does not necessarily mean that “Outlining his strategy to nurse…” is wrong.

Remember, both options can technically be correct. Just because GMAC prefers the “to do X” option does not necessarily mean they can’t use the “for doing X” option in its sentences.

So be open-minded to both possibilities being correct when you read through GMAT test questions.

Now, let’s get back to the question:

Quote:
68. Outlining his strategy for nursing the troubled conglomerate back to health, the chief executive's plans were announced on Wednesday for cutting the company's huge debt bv selling nearly $12 billion in assets over the next 18 months.

(A) executive's plans were announced on Wednesday for cutting the company's huge debt byselling nearly $12 billion in assets over the next 18 months

(C) executive's plans for cutting the company's huge debt by selling nearly $12 billion in assets over the next 18 months were announced on Wednesday

(D) executive announced plans Wednesday to cut the company's huge debt by selling nearly $12 billion in assets over the next 18 months



Notice you are now asked to choose between “plans for cutting” or “plans to cut”
GMAC folks prefer the simpler version “plans to cut” instead of “plans for cutting. And it turns out the correct answer here is (D) – which supports this idea.

As was the case with the previuos question – yes, there are other issues wrong with (A) and (C). Namely, the word “executive” cannot appear in its possessive form “executive’s” if it is positioned at the SUBJECT of the sentence when there is an –ING verb “Outlining” that is structurally positioned to modify “executive.”

When we have this –ING verb “outlining” positioned in this way (see GMAT Pill Framework #3), then the subject must appear in its original natural form ---not the possessive form.

So yes, both (A) and (C) have this problem.

But if everything else were the same besides the “plans for cutting” vs “plans to cut” concept – we would choose “plans to cut” as the answer.



Example #5: GMAT Prep



Quote:
181. In some species of cricket, the number of chirps per minute used by the male for attracting females rise and fall in accordance with the surrounding temperature, and they can in fact serve as an approximate thermometer.
A. for attracting females rise and fall in accordance with the surrounding temperature, and they can in fact serve.
B.for attracting females rises and falls in accordance with the surrounding temperature, which can in fact serve
C. in attracting females rise and fall in accordance with the surrounding temperature, in fact possibly serving.
D. to attract females rises and falls in accordance with the surrounding temperature, and it can in fact serve.
E. to attract females rises and falls in accordance with the surrounding temperature, in fact possibly serving.


Here the answer is (D) – yet another example fo a question that asks you to choose between “for attracting” and “to attract” and the answer is “to attract.”


Example #6: GMAT Prep SC



Quote:
184. The global-warming effect of ocean white caps are one of the many aspects of the ocean environment that are not yet incorporated in any detail into computer models used for predicting how rising greenhouse gas concentrations could affect climate.
A. The global-warming effect of ocean white caps are one of the many aspects of the ocean environment that are not yet incorporated in any detail into computer models used for predicting
B. The effect of ocean white caps on global warming is one of the many aspects of the ocean environment that are not yet incorporated in any detail into the computer models used to predict
C. That ocean white caps have an effect on global warming is one of the many aspects of the ocean environment not yet having been incorportated in any detail into the computer models that are used for predicting.


In this GMATPrep example, you are asked to choose between “used for predicting” and “used to predict.”

The answer is (B) – which mentions “used to predict” instead of “used for predicting” as we expect.


What if “to do X” is not an option?



What if you are asked to choose between “for doing X” vs “that does X” ?

Answer: Choose “that does X”

Here are examples:

Example #7: GMAT Prep SC



Quote:
In a blow to those who still harbored the illusion that E-mail exchanges are private, a watchdog group recently uncovered a trick for enabling an interloper to rig an E-mail message so that this person will be privy to any comments that a recipient had added as the message is forwarded to others or sent back and forth.
A. who still harbored the illusion that E-mail exchanges are private, a watchdog group recently uncovered a trick for enabling an interloper to rig an E-mail message so that this person will be privy to any comments that a recipient had added
B. who had still been harboring the illusion that E-mail exchanges are private, a watchdog group recently uncovered a trick for enabling an interloper to rig an E-mail message so that this person was privy to any comments that a recipient might have added.
C. who still were harboring the illusion that E-mail exchanges are private, a warchdog group recently uncovered a trick enabling an interloper to rig and E-mail message so that this person is privy to any comments that a recipient would add.
D. still harboring the illusion that E-mail exchange are private , a watchdog group recently uncovered a trick that enables an interloper to rig an E-mail message so that this person will be privy to any comments that a recipient might add
E. still harboring the illusion that E-mail exchanges had been private, a wathchdog group recently uncovered a trick that will enable an interloper to rig and E-mail message so that this person was privy to any comments that a recipient might add.



Between these 5 answer choices, notice the correct answer is (D) – which uses the simplest version: “uncovered a trick that enables”

This is effectively choosing “that does X” over “for doing X”

Remember, the GMAC folks prefer simplicity – so when “to do X” is not available but “that does X” IS available, then you want to chose “that does X.”


In this case, you choose “uncovered a trick THAT enables X” – answer choice (D).


Example #8: GMAT Prep SC



Quote:
111. The two oil companies agreed to merge their refining and marketing operations in the Midwest and the West, forming a new company for controlling nearly fifteen of the nation’s gasoline sales.
A. forming a new company for controlling
B. forming a new company that would control


Here’s yet another example when you choose between “for controlling” vs “that would control”

Another alternative, if it were an available answer choice, would be:

“forming a new company that controls nearly fifteen of the nation’s gasoline sales”

But since this is not an available answer choice, then between (A) and (B) above, we choose the simpler choice (B).


Any Counter Examples?



So with so many of examples of official questions that prefer the “to do X” form over “for/from doing X” form – then when would the “for doing X” version be correct?


Well, again, both forms can technically be correct – it’s just that in test questions, GMAC prefers the simpler version.

GMAC itself uses “for doing X” in some of its explanations.

One example is in the OG explanation for #75 on page 740 where it says:

“The idiom as a means to correctly communicates that stressing the arts is a method for achieving greater economic development.”

“For achieving” is only used when there is a NOUN (rather than a VERB) before the “for verb+ing” phrase.

1) “Stressing the arts is a method for achieving greater economic development” is OK
2) “Stressing the arts is a method to achieve greater economic development” can also be OK.

The fact that GMAC uses (1) instead of (2) does not necessarily mean (2) is wrong. Quite the contrary, in fact – as we have noted in all the previous examples above.


Yes, there are select examples that violate the rule…



But the ONLY real example we could find in which “for doing X” is a correct answer is with idiomatic exceptions.

And these idiomatic exceptions are from OLD editions of the official guide – the 11th edition.

GMAC folks are recognizing that non-native students have a tough time understanding these idiomatic intricacies – so they have removed them from the most recent official guide editions and probably from their database of currently active GMAT questions for test takers.

What do I mean by idiomatic exception?

Well, here’s one.

IDIOMATIC EXCEPTION (“provide support FOR doing X”)



Again, these types of exceptions are likely not common in current GMAT questions. But if you really wanted to know – past questions included ones that show “for doing X” as the correct answer:

Example #9: OG11 #11 (old OG edition, less relevant)



Quote:
OG11 #11 New genetic evidence-together with recent studies of elephants' skeletons, tusks, and other anatomical features-//provide compelling support for classifying//Africa's forest elephants and its savanna elephants as separate species.

C.provides compelling support to the classification of

D.provides compelling support for classifying

E.provides compelling support to classify



Idiomatically, you provide support TO someone or some group or organization.



You can’t provide support to a verb.

The sentence above boils down to:

“Evidence provides support to do something…”

But we know idiomatically that “Evidence cannot provide support to do something.”

You can only provide support TO someone or some organization or group – not to an action verb.

What you CAN say is this:



“Evidence provides compelling support to scientists for classifying..” (answer choice D)

In this case you are providing support TO SOMEONE.

But even if we left out “to scientists” assuming it is implied, we are still left with:

(D): “Evidence provides compelling support for classifying” (NOT “to classify”)

So it boils down to the fact that the word SUPPORT is an idiomatic exception that requires someone or some organization to be the recipient of that support as in:

“Evidence provides compelling support to scientists for X…”

“Nurses provide help/aid to patients for their illnesses…”

So the problem with (E) is that “provides compelling support to classify” – represents a unique idiomatic exception.

Another idiomatic example: PENCHANT



You have a penchant for learning. - idiomatically correct

You have a penchant to learn - not idiomatically correct

So besides this idiomatic exception, GMAC genearlly does not like answer choices involving “for + verb-ing”



We’ve supported this statement with the numerous examples above. That’s why:

When given the task to choose between “to do X” vs “doing X” -

you should choose the simpler form “to do X.”



Here's the RULE


In the specific idiomatic case of “to do X” vs “for/from doing X”

--> Always choose “to do X”

In the specific idiomatic case of “for doing X” vs “does X”

--> Always choose “does X”


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Re: "To do X" vs "Doing X" - A Secret Idiomatic Best Practice [#permalink] New post 15 May 2013, 06:48
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in "noun for doing", noun dose not cause the doing

in "noun doing/noun that do" noun causes the doing

we should know this point to see which one is logic.

"to do" is used to show the purpose of the previous clause. we do not used "for doing" to show the purpose of the previou clause.


for doing is a prepositional phrase which can modifiy a noun
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Re: "To do X" vs "Doing X" - A Secret Idiomatic Best Practice [#permalink] New post 16 May 2013, 08:43
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in "noun for doing", noun dose not cause the doing

in "noun doing/noun that do" noun causes the doing

we should know this point to see which one is logic.

"to do" is used to show the purpose of the previous clause. we do not used "for doing" to show the purpose of the previou clause.


for doing is a prepositional phrase which can modifiy a noun


Not sure if that makes total sense. Let's look at an example:

"They use computer models to predict"

Your notes above seem to imply that the computer models cause the predicting - that doesn't quite make sense here. Just wanted to clarify so others don't get confused.
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Re: "To do X" vs "Doing X" - A Secret Idiomatic Best Practice [#permalink] New post 16 May 2013, 09:53
Nicely put, but, as for the post, I would rather recommend it to advanced students. The rule of a thumb that you have drafted may be useful, although not necessarily on the GMAT. As shown, one is rarely left to such a critical choice on the exam. Moreover, taking into account multiple idioms that are tested on the GMAT, which not always follow the rule of a thumb, this rule may be misleading. I mean that one should not eliminate ACs by this rule. E.g. both the "method for doing sh" and "method of doing sh" are idiomatical and excluding an AC because of the "for"/"of" may lead to incorrect AC. There are numerous cases like this one (e.g. see Manhattan SC, Chapter 9). As for me, I wholeheartedly espouse a tested English ABC: Accuracy, Brevity, Clarity. Actually, I think that this is what your point can be boiled down to. However, idiomatic language can never be trimmed down to plug 'n chug like "sh vs sh".
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Re: "To do X" vs "Doing X" - A Secret Idiomatic Best Practice [#permalink] New post 17 May 2013, 07:32
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Note the GMAT rarely tests you only on idioms - they've been phasing out idioms over the past several years. So sure, there are exceptions - but as noted above, the only exception we could find was one from an older version of the OG. That question does not appear in the latest OG13 version. We suspect GMAT removed this particular question as part of their effort to move away from idioms. So the chances of this rule falling apart are quite slim without idioms in the way.

So sure, you can choose not to follow this rule of thumb - but as shown above, following this general rule of thumb can get you better results on a large number of questions than you might otherwise get.

More generally, "to do x" is considered simpler/clearer than "doing x" - so in that sense it matches the brevity/clarity you are referring to. It's the same idea.
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Re: GMAT Pill presents... vs Which to choose? A Secret Idiomatic [#permalink] New post 29 Jun 2013, 00:18
I was eliminating the "for doing" answer cauz it just a gerund and my rule of thumb was "Inf." is always better than "Gerund"
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I was eliminating the "for doing" answer cauz it just a gerund and my rule of thumb was "Inf." is always better than "Gerund"
Can I still rely on this or what?


Hi sinchicodo,

This is the same idea.

In our teachings, we try to avoid using phrases such as "gerund" or "participial phrase" or "subjunctive clause" - that's why we just call it "doing" vs "to do"--so that students who do not understand complex grammar terminology can still ace the GMAT.

What you mention as gerund vs infinitive - is the same idea. The infinitive "to do" is generally viewed as simpler according to GMAC folks - and therefore preferred/correct.
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Re: GMAT Pill presents... vs Which to choose? A Secret Idiomatic [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2013, 23:40
I am not clear of FOR DOING/TO DO

but I think that TO DO is used when the subject of the previous verb is agent of TO DO
DOING is used when the agent of DOING is not the subject of the previous verb. DOING refers to a general action.

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Re: GMAT Pill presents... vs Which to choose? A Secret Idiomatic [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2013, 06:33
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I am not clear of FOR DOING/TO DO

but I think that TO DO is used when the subject of the previous verb is agent of TO DO
DOING is used when the agent of DOING is not the subject of the previous verb. DOING refers to a general action.

I want to follow this posting.



You may not fully understand it right away - but I encourage you to pay attention to the so many GMAT questions that have answer choices with these 2 options.

Oftentimes, students tell us they are stuck between 2 answer choices and don't know which one to pick.

Well, many times---if you stick to this rule - you'll choose the right answer. The other one may technically be error-free, but since the GMAT folks want you to pick the BEST one--then that's your job.

You don't want to spend all the effort to eliminate 3 of the 5 answer choices--and then end up picking the wrong answer--not because there is something wrong with it--but rather because it is not the PREFERRED form on the GMAT.

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Re: GMAT Pill presents... vs Which to choose? A Secret Idiomatic [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2013, 09:05
I will re read this article. this topic is great.

gmatpill experts, pls note my idea

to do is use after subject+verb, a clause to show the intent of the main clause.
when "to do" is used after noun or adjective, the pattern is idiomatic

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Re: GMAT Pill presents... vs Which to choose? A Secret Idiomatic [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2013, 01:56
thank you gmatpill experts for posting the problem.

honestly, I read the article but do not fully understand. I will reread it one time more.

for now, I want to make some ideas. I wish you will consider my idea to write more for us. there are 3 standard/aspect on which we decide to use "to do" or "for doing"

1.
"to do" is used to show purpose of the subject and main verb in the previous clause. "for doing" is not used in this case.
2.
after noun or adjective, the use of "to do" or "for doing" is dependent on the idioms
3.
normally, "doing" can be a participle which refer to a specific action of a specific noun in the main clause. there are only a few patterns in which doing is used as participle. the following patterns

- noun+doing phrase
-doing+noun
- doing phrase+comma+main clause
- main clause+comma+doing phrase.

in other patterns, "doing" is used as gerund, which refer to general action and refer to no specific noun in the main clause. in this case, action noun is prefered over "doing"; "attempt" is prefered over "trying" . the different fuctions of "doing" makes grammarians give them 2 names : participle and gerund.

evidence is used for classifying the genes. (here "evidence" dose not do "classifying" )

so we have one more standard ,with which to decide "to do" of "for doing" is used.


using 3 standards above, we decide to use "to do" or "for doing"

this is hard, I am confuse many times
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Re: GMAT Pill presents... vs Which to choose? A Secret Idiomatic [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2013, 02:31
the lesion to learn

is correct

the lesion for learning

is not correct.

I think there is idiom here . there is no previous clause before "the lession"

used to attract

is idiom.

this is very hard. I hope gmat dose not test un this point.
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Re: GMAT Pill presents... vs Which to choose? A Secret Idiomatic [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2013, 08:45
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thank you gmatpill experts for posting the problem.

honestly, I read the article but do not fully understand. I will reread it one time more.

for now, I want to make some ideas. I wish you will consider my idea to write more for us. there are 3 standard/aspect on which we decide to use "to do" or "for doing"

1.
"to do" is used to show purpose of the subject and main verb in the previous clause. "for doing" is not used in this case.
2.
after noun or adjective, the use of "to do" or "for doing" is dependent on the idioms
3.
normally, "doing" can be a participle which refer to a specific action of a specific noun in the main clause. there are only a few patterns in which doing is used as participle. the following patterns

- noun+doing phrase
-doing+noun
- doing phrase+comma+main clause
- main clause+comma+doing phrase.

in other patterns, "doing" is used as gerund, which refer to general action and refer to no specific noun in the main clause. in this case, action noun is prefered over "doing"; "attempt" is prefered over "trying" . the different fuctions of "doing" makes grammarians give them 2 names : participle and gerund.

evidence is used for classifying the genes. (here "evidence" dose not do "classifying" )

so we have one more standard ,with which to decide "to do" of "for doing" is used.


using 3 standards above, we decide to use "to do" or "for doing"

this is hard, I am confuse many times


vietmoi,

I think you're overthinking it. You may be technically right in some ways - but with so much analysis and fancy verbal terminology, you'll just experience paralysis on the exam!

Your reference to:

- doing phrase+comma+main clause
- main clause+comma+doing phrase.

---these 2 are not relevant at all to this topic. Sure you'll see the -ING words in these cases:

"Doing X, this person blah blah blah.."
or the flipped version "This person blah blah blah, doing X"

---BUT both of these are NOT examples of "to do" vs "doing" (the topic of this post)

The example usage we are addressing looks more like this:

"The main reason the government created program X was for helping"
"The main reason the government created program X was to help"

---choose "to help"

Does this necessarily mean "for helping" is wrong? No!

You see, the key takeaway here is not to look at these "to do" vs "doing" situations as black and white.

It's NOT black and white.

Both can be technically correct.

But again--IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE...and oftentimes on the GMAT when you eliminate down to 2 answer choices, you will be asked to choose between 2 seemingly good answers---then you should choose the "to do" version. Unless there is some idiomatic exception, 9 out of 10 times, the answer will be the "to do" version.

So really, this is more of a smart guessing strategy that can also help you quickly pick an answer that will have a high probability of being correct before moving on.
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