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# GMAT: Round 2

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11 Feb 2008, 04:55
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Yes, call me crazy, I'm going to write the GMAT again. First attempt was 750.

It'll give me a better shot at scholarship $$and will make up more so for my horrendous GPA. Just did GMATPrep1 after 2+ months of not studying, scored a 780. Going to book it next week. Aiming for the top... Director Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 862 Followers: 15 Kudos [?]: 265 [1] , given: 0 Re: GMAT: Round 2 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Feb 2008, 07:20 1 This post received KUDOS Only on GMAT club can you find people willing to retake the test after scoring a 750 Best of luck to you! When you get into that range, are schools significantly more impressed with say, a 780-790 vs a 750-760? or is it all kind of a wash at that point for them? Director Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Posts: 514 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 36 [1] , given: 0 Re: GMAT: Round 2 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Feb 2008, 07:29 1 This post received KUDOS StartupAddict wrote: Yes, call me crazy, I'm going to write the GMAT again. First attempt was 750. It'll give me a better shot at scholarship$$ and will make up more so for my horrendous GPA. Just did GMATPrep1 after 2+ months of not studying, scored a 780. Going to book it next week.

Aiming for the top...

Yep. It's official. You're nuts! Actually, if you are doing it for the scholarship ...you do make a good point. If you had just said that you wanted to retake it to give yourself a better shot of getting accepted, I'd have shot you down and told you to work on making your essays heartbreaking works of staggering genius. What the hell - go for it, man! Keep us posted.
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11 Feb 2008, 16:31
Thanks guys. I wrote GMP1 yesterday on 2 hours of sleep in 2 days, but today I'm refreshed, so let's see how it goes

Schools typically give out scholarships if you're significantly above the median for the school, so say the schools average is 720, 750 probably won't net a scholarship, but 770-800 probably will.

I also wrote it the first time on 2 hours of sleep among other things.

But yeah, back to GMAT studying for me! Yay
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11 Feb 2008, 21:17
GMP2: 780

With STUPID mistakes ARGH.
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11 Feb 2008, 21:19
GMP2: 780

With STUPID mistakes ARGH.

Don't beat yourself up too much...it's a 780!

Did you get any repeat questions from earlier? and how did you do on the GMAT Prep tests before getting your 750 the first time around? Any MGMAT CATs?
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11 Feb 2008, 21:32
On this GMP I just made a lot of stupid mistakes. I got the impossible questions right, but screwed up the easy ones on Math (lazy, didn't check answers, didn't read questions), and on Verbal forgot some obvious idioms (I find if you get the impossible bombs right, but screw up some easy ones, GMAC usually gives you a 50 (-1 for sloppiness)). I got some repeats, lots of CR repeats but I redid them anyways and made a point to eliminate any incorrect answers.

Prior to writing the GMAT my initial time I was doing quite well, consistently scoring 780-800, but I went out the night before and was quite terribly hung over and going on 2 hours of sleep yet still managed a 750 (my verbal was only a 41, I usually scored 46-50V). I couldn't think during the Math, raced through the last 6-7 verbal questions... fell asleep during the verbal for a few minutes.. among other things =P

I'm hoping for a 51Q and 48V+ this time around. I've seen some Stan admits on other boards and it seems like Stan is interviewing a LOT of 760+'s.... maybe Stan's average will be 740-750 this year :O

I also can do SC now at lightning speed, weird. Before it would take me 30 seconds - 45 seconds a SC, now I can do an SC in under 10-15 seconds without thinking too hard-- weird, maybe I learned by osmosis.
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11 Feb 2008, 21:35
One thing I've noticed too versus the real GMAT and the GMAT Prep, the real GMAT has harder questions, but marks more leniently.

I'm guessing a lot of people do bad on test day and it scales accordingly.
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13 Feb 2008, 19:16
GMP1, saw a lot of repeats, raced through it, each section in 30 mins. Also only slept 4h/night the last two days.

I have to review some more trig, saw a hard 51Q geometry DS.

770
51Q (5 wrong) - I remember I got a really, really simple DS wrong. Argh!!!!!
44V (5 wrong) - Saw a passage again that I didn't read, tried to "remember" the answers, got 2 wrong there. Also got 2 SC's wrong that I should have spent more time on. I forget the other one.

Didn't read a lot of questions..... argh. The repeats are killing me because subsconciously I think I remember the answer, so it biases me. Most of the math, if I worked them out, I'm pretty sure I would have gotten right, so I should be OK on the real thing.

Ok, so I'm convinced GMAT takes into consideration the # of questions you get wrong.

Even if you were to score a 51Q and a 51V, you'd most likely get a 790, unless you got 0-1 wrong. You can get a 51Q even with getting apparently up to 5 wrong! As long as you get the impossible ones right most of the time, the 51Q's, you're OK. But you'll be penalized with perhaps a 10-20 point deduction for sloppiness. I also noticed GMP1 scaled the questions very quickly. I was on 50-51Q questions by the time I got to question 7 or 8.

I'm not sure about the verbal, but it scales harder I believe.

Anyways you can get a 770 while getting 10-12 wrong.
I'm guessing a 780 with 6-8 wrong, and a 790 with 3-5 wrong, and an 800 has to be almost a flawless performance.

I'm assuming if you get a hard 51Q or 45+V you can get it right.

Just some things I noticed today.
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14 Feb 2008, 10:59
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wow that's amazing. 5 wrong and a 51q? i'm stressing myself too much.
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14 Feb 2008, 12:17
bmwhype2 wrote:
wow that's amazing. 5 wrong and a 51q? i'm stressing myself too much.

I think I got a 51Q with 7 wrong on one of the MGMAT CATs
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19 Feb 2008, 20:22
GMATPrep1:

780

Q: 51 (1 wrong), 66 minutes.
V: 46 (6 wrong - 4 SC, 2 RC) 45 minutes.

I did Q 9 minutes under time and V 30 minutes under time.

I was actually confident with the Math and paced myself nicely. The only question I got wrong was a ridiculous DS, a complete monster. The question itself was over 8 lines long and had a massive formula in it, LOL. It was actually pretty simple, but I didn't think long enough, it was towards the end, Question 30-35 or so. I just didn't take a simple inequality into consideration. I finally figured out a way to solve those annoying wordy questions - just plug in the answers! It's much faster and you save brain power. Before I'd try to formulate the hell out of what they were saying... but I think they do that on purpose, that is, making the question excessively wordy so that it tires you out. Simple mechanical calculations on the other hand don't make you tired

For SC I have to review if/will/etc. Reading, well, I'll take it slower on the real GMAT.

Mental endurance is increasing a bit.

I'm going to do GMATPrep2 tomorrow again. Hoping to break into the 790/800's finally.
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19 Feb 2008, 20:24
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Oh as for repeats, in Math I saw perhaps 1 or 2, and I had to recalculate the answer from scratch anyways.

In Verbal I saw maybe 3 repeats.

So yeah, Quant is sitting at 51 steady, and Verbal is 46-48, I want to get my Verbal up to 50-51...
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19 Feb 2008, 20:25
Also did some practise questions yesterday.

Did 47 CR, of which I got 46 right.

SC, 18/20.

Math, 2 DS from paper tests, 40/40, about 30-40 seconds each.
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19 Feb 2008, 22:49
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damn. Serious? wtf

wait a minute - haven't you done these gmatpreps a few months ago? the questions haven't changed
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20 Feb 2008, 00:51
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damn. Serious? wtf

wait a minute - haven't you done these gmatpreps a few months ago? the questions haven't changed

I did do them a few months ago. Now, I do them almost every day, and I rarely see repeats. I opened up a hex editor and looked through the .dat files, along with analyzing the logs - I'm 99% sure each GMATprep test has a database of over 10,000 questions.

So, if you're around the same skill level, say a 51Q, then you might see some repeats. But I usually see a LOT of new questions, and even if I do see repeats, I have no recollection of the correct answer. I rework them out anyways, so the repeats don't give you that much of an advantage. And you have to remember too that even if you do see a repeat and think that you know the answer, you still have to recalculate the answer as your remembered answer will probably be wrong.

Going to do GMP1 tomorrow as well as 200 questions (25 PS, 25 DS, 50 SC, 50 CR, 50 RC).
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20 Feb 2008, 10:32
I only retook Gmatprep once each, and I saw at least 7 repeats on #1 and more than 10 on #2

Obviously you have the ability to score between 750 and 780 but if you are getting 780 on a gmatprep 3rd or 4th passthrough, realistically you got a 3-4 question raw score boost which could easily put you back on 750 level.
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20 Feb 2008, 11:07
Tarmac wrote:
I only retook Gmatprep once each, and I saw at least 7 repeats on #1 and more than 10 on #2

Obviously you have the ability to score between 750 and 780 but if you are getting 780 on a gmatprep 3rd or 4th passthrough, realistically you got a 3-4 question raw score boost which could easily put you back on 750 level.

Then obviously you did not improve your skill level. If you're at the same skill level, then yes, you will see similar questions. But if you improve, you will start to see harder and harder questions.

Each GMATPrep has over 10,000 questions, and if you wipe the .xact and .log files, you'll see very few repeats. You can probably rewrite GMATPrep 20-30 times or more. And, remember, the real GMAT scores easier than GMATPrep. As for repeats, like I said before, seeing a question again doesn't help much, and I saw very few repeats. Plus, I did verbal in 45 minutes instead of 75.

I'm well past 750-770, and into 780+ territory. Now it's just a matter of increasing speed and polishing my verbal skills, namely RC/SC since for CR I get less than 1% wrong.

I think the scores are as follows:

780: 51/45-46
790: 51/47-48
800: 51/49+
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20 Feb 2008, 11:20
well, I went from 710 gmatprep to 770 gmatprep retake, which is exactly the kind of boost you are aiming for. but hey, you are the man. good luck
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20 Feb 2008, 11:37
Wow that's quite the jump.

I've never had that kind of a jump. Whenever I had a 20 or more point increase in GMATPrep, it's after I did lots of studying and improved my weak areas. Maybe you have a good memory? My memory is terrible lol.
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