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Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2014, 05:26
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There was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated its historical importance and its literary eminence

(A) was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated

(B) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

© was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

(D) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated

(E) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated


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Re: Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2014, 11:50
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There was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated its historical importance and its literary eminence

(A) was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated

(B) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

© was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

(D) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated

(E) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated


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I think B.

If we replace "it" with "city of troy" in other choices, sentence doesn't make much sense to me.
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Re: Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 24 Feb 2014, 12:46
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is it B ?

the use of 'until' suggest we need to use past perfect tense. hence we can get rid of A and C
D and E seem to be using only past perfect tense which is wrong. That leaves us with B.
Do correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 24 Feb 2014, 18:14
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There was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated its historical importance and its literary eminence

(A) was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated

The phrase "whether... or... it" is not the correct idiom; The subordinating conjunction "until" indicates that a sequence of verbs is necessary, thus "was" should be had been"; the last verb "validation" continues to the present, so it should be present perfect tense. Incorrect

(B) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

I didn't like the phrase "whether...or," but everything else was an improvement from A.

© was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

Here's an improvement from A; irregardless, "until" requires a sequence of events reflected in the verbs.

(D) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated

The verbs in the phrase "whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment" are incorrectly used because there is no reason for the past perfect. What did those events occur before?; furthermore, "had validated" is wrong because the clause requires the action to continue into the present.

(E) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated

same errors as above - "whether or it" and "had validated"

IMO B
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Re: Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 25 Feb 2014, 05:17
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There was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated its historical importance and its literary eminence

(A) was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated

(B) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

© was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

(D) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated

(E) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated


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There are two events that happened in the past : Debate and Discovery
The Debate took place before the Discovery, so a Past Perfect is required with "Debate" to show the sequence. Hence "had been" is the correct tense. This eliminates (A) and (C).

Now the Validation done as a result of the discovery still holds today and there are no sequence of events here so Past Perfect "had validated" is incorrect, which eliminates (D) and (E). A Present Perfect "has validated" is required here as the Validation happened in the past and it still holds.

This leaves us with (B), which is the correct answer.
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Re: Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 25 Feb 2014, 21:16
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There was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated its historical importance and its literary eminence

(A) was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated
had been should be used
(B) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated
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© was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated
had been should be used
(D) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated
the discover has validated not had validated.
(E) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated
the discover has validated not had validated.
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Re: Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2014, 20:47
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There was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated its historical importance and its literary eminence

(A) was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated

(B) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

© was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

(D) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated

(E) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated


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There are two events that happened in the past : Debate and Discovery
The Debate took place before the Discovery, so a Past Perfect is required with "Debate" to show the sequence. Hence "had been" is the correct tense. This eliminates (A) and (C).

Now the Validation done as a result of the discovery still holds today and there are no sequence of events here so Past Perfect "had validated" is incorrect, which eliminates (D) and (E). A Present Perfect "has validated" is required here as the Validation happened in the past and it still holds.

This leaves us with (B), which is the correct answer.



Sorry, but I doubt the use of past perfect, because " until the noted archaeologist" already shows that the debate happened before the discovery. Hence would go with A.
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Re: Gmatclub Verbal Diagnostic test No 5, Question No 3 SC [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2014, 05:00
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daagh wrote:
There was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated its historical importance and its literary eminence

(A) was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that validated

(B) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

© was a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that has validated

(D) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy had ever existed or had been a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated

(E) had been a great debate among Greek historians whether the city of Troy ever existed or it was a figment of fiction, until the noted archaeologist Schliemann discovered in Turkey a site that many believe to be the ancient city of Troy, a discovery that had validated


OA and OE after 5 solutions



There are two events that happened in the past : Debate and Discovery
The Debate took place before the Discovery, so a Past Perfect is required with "Debate" to show the sequence. Hence "had been" is the correct tense. This eliminates (A) and (C).

Now the Validation done as a result of the discovery still holds today and there are no sequence of events here so Past Perfect "had validated" is incorrect, which eliminates (D) and (E). A Present Perfect "has validated" is required here as the Validation happened in the past and it still holds.

This leaves us with (B), which is the correct answer.



I liked the way you handled the question. I had gone with option E, as I thought that validation was done in the past. I forgot to use the common sense. Thanks a very lucid explanation.


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