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# GMATPrep1: 700 (Q51,V33). ...2nd GMATPrep1: 770 (Q51,V42)

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17 Mar 2008, 03:47
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After 4.5 months of preparation I've took my first full-time GMAT preparation test.
I woke up at 5:00 a.m. (It is impossible for me to have 3 hours for test during a day - my little son does not give me such opportunity ), took 10 min to wash my face and to drink a cup of coffee....

Q51. After 15 questions I had about 10-15 min in reserve (I spent about 1 min per question). Therefore, I easily went trough quant section, but made 2 silly mistakes. The result did not surprise me, because I have a strong math background

V33. I totally lose concentration for the fist part of the section. A few RC texts in social science bowled me over (I got all questions of one of the RC wrong). I spent excess 15 min for fist 20 questions and had to move more quickly to avoid penalties. That led me to mistakes, especially in SC. After revision of my mistakes I found many of them easy ones. Therefore, I think the loss of concentration was the most important factor that pushed my score down.

Actually, It is a huge achievement for me in verbal section (4 month ago I saw CNN as alien broadcasting from Mars and understood only words, such as "Bush", "Hillary" and "Iraq" ).
Now I feel able to boost my verbal score by improving concentration.
Do you have any ideas?

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17 Mar 2008, 06:09
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Hey Walker, 51 in Q was a given for you. 1 minute a question on quant, I know I won't come anywhere close to that, (46 in M) but what is your strategy? Do you immediately think of the best approach? Didn't think 1 min a Q is possible, but if it is I need to get somewhere close to that

In Verbal, concentration is key and if you are running against the clock in verbal you will get murdered because you will gloss over things. As I stated before in my debrief I thought CR and RC were my strong points going into the test, so I focused heavily on SC, but I really feel it is the CR and RC is what did me in. I need to invest in that much time into CR and RC. I think practicing LSAT questions under GMAT timed conditions is the way to go. That will be my approach from now on. It is commendable though coming from a non english background to accomplish what you did.
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17 Mar 2008, 09:43
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Hey Walker, 51 in Q was a given for you. 1 minute a question on quant, I know I won't come anywhere close to that, (46 in M) but what is your strategy? Do you immediately think of the best approach? Didn't think 1 min a Q is possible, but if it is I need to get somewhere close to that

Some of the features that I find useful:

1. DS questions were the main source of additional time for me. Sometimes answers popped up in my mind just after I had read question. I think It is because I recognized some typical patterns:

E: - two very complex or similar conditions. I just constructed two examples to support my choice.

A or B: - one condition is simple, like a=3 that is obviously insufficient but help GMAT to misdirect you to C, and other condition is seems to be insufficient but does virtually sufficient.

I think the most useful (and fast) technique is construction of examples.

2. I try always read the question slowly and two or three times, looking for red flags, such as "positive integers", "non-zero", "integers", "prime", "odd", "consecutive even integers", "unequal", "distinct" and so on. They restrict possible set of answers and almost always dramatically influence on right answer (I lose one such trap on my GMATPrep).

3. In geometry I often construct figures in my mind from sticks and hinges and change shape of figures in arbitrary way to find solution.

terp26 wrote:
In Verbal, concentration is key and if you are running against the clock in verbal you will get murdered because you will gloss over things. As I stated before in my debrief I thought CR and RC were my strong points going into the test, so I focused heavily on SC, but I really feel it is the CR and RC is what did me in. I need to invest in that much time into CR and RC. I think practicing LSAT questions under GMAT timed conditions is the way to go. That will be my approach from now on. It is commendable though coming from a non english background to accomplish what you did.

Thanks, Terp26
It seems that you and me are in the same boat. Maybe It would be useful to try CR and RC under noisy condition, for example use iPod to listen podcasts? Did you try to do so?
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17 Mar 2008, 11:05
Thanks , those are some solid suggestions. I have thought about some but have not truly applied them on a consistent basis. You are right though. You have to think about how the GMAT will trick you. Also when they mention a restricting option, that is essential to the answer. They never give extraneous information. Always understand how that restricting option defines the answer.

Concerning geometry, that does seem like a great approach. It is very abstract and definitely will try and apply that method.

I think what I may do is do a set of DS questions with a strict 1 minute time limit for each and see how I do. Because with PS, I feel that if you understand all the concepts, you can always usually figure out the answer, but it may take 3 minutes or so, for someone like me. If I hit the 1 min DS mark, then that will do it.

As for Verbal, I have not tried with background noise but I think it may be a good idea to help improve focus. As you do for DS, you also need to recognize CR and RC patterns.

Now I can't vouch for this ,but something to look for as you are doing questions to see whether you see similiar patterns.

CR I have noticed that If true questions usually appear out of scope at first glance but are not and answers that appear too close to the statement are usually wrong. The opposite is true for assumption questions. In CR you have to constantly ask yourself questions based on the statement and answer choices. You have to go through each choice and break the logic, doing so by posing hypothetical questions.

RC , if you dont understand the passage , you are going to get at least half the Q wrong. RC is where you can really kill your time. You read a passage and you still spend 2 min a question, that means you didnt understand it and you will be playing catch up, and in verbal catch up is really hard to do. So back to that approach, hardest RC passages you can find, under a strict time limit, with background noise. I think I am going to start doing that. For me there is no excuse to get any RC question wrong. The answers are all there in the passage.

Another problem I have with RC is the meaning of words. I guess that can't really be helped at this stage. I am a native speaker but they can throw in hard words and you have to just hopefully be able to eliminate other choices.
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17 Mar 2008, 11:56
You are right. I guess I understand now how "recognize patterns" is important. If you get patterns, you will find fast solution

There is also an idea that I forgot to post:

1. PS&DS if I find the problem that I cannot solve in 2min, I try find as many ways to solve it as possible. Sometimes I spent a few hours to do so.
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17 Mar 2008, 12:51
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51 in quant is amazing!
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17 Mar 2008, 13:03
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Walker,

I always assumed that the guy who wrote the 1000 SC and CR applications would be a Verbal guru

It is those 2 applications that are helping me personally improve on my V score.....As for RC, be careful which passages you choose. Kaplan or MGMAT can do you a big disservice on RC - their passages are just too confusing and some answer choices too close to call. I'd stick with GMATPrep and OG for RC.
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17 Mar 2008, 13:15
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walker wrote:
You are right. I guess I understand now how "recognize patterns" is important. If you get patterns, you will find fast solution

There is also an idea that I forgot to post:

1. PS&DS if I find the problem that I cannot solve in 2min, I try find as many ways to solve it as possible. Sometimes I spent a few hours to do so.

that is insane.
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17 Mar 2008, 17:57
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Walker,

I always assumed that the guy who wrote the 1000 SC and CR applications would be a Verbal guru

It is just a peculiar way to study

chineseburned wrote:
It is those 2 applications that are helping me personally improve on my V score.....As for RC, be careful which passages you choose. Kaplan or MGMAT can do you a big disservice on RC - their passages are just too confusing and some answer choices too close to call. I'd stick with GMATPrep and OG for RC.

Thanks. You confirm my fear for validity of the non-OG texts.

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walker wrote:
You are right. I guess I understand now how "recognize patterns" is important. If you get patterns, you will find fast solution

There is also an idea that I forgot to post:

1. PS&DS if I find the problem that I cannot solve in 2min, I try find as many ways to solve it as possible. Sometimes I spent a few hours to do so.

that is insane.

When I started my study I struggled with probability-permutation problems. I could not solved many of them under 2 mins. The tactic really helped me. Now, as you can see from my posts for such problems, I feel very convinced.
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18 Mar 2008, 06:45
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walker wrote:
1. DS questions were the main source of additional time for me.

"One man's strength is another's weakness", the quote sure resonates well here! I am struggling with DS and I lose time here!

walker wrote:
Sometimes answers popped up in my mind just after I had read question. I think It is because I recognized some typical patterns:
E: - two very complex or similar conditions. I just constructed two examples to support my choice. A or B: - one condition is simple, like a=3 that is obviously insufficient but help GMAT to misdirect you to C, and other condition is seems to be insufficient but does virtually sufficient. I think the most useful (and fast) technique is construction of examples.

I try and pick numbers but that doesn't seem to work well as I spend too much time picking integers, consequtive numbers etc. Any tips there? How many cases should one try? What do you mean by construction of examples?
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18 Mar 2008, 07:28
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where are you from, walker?
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18 Mar 2008, 08:50
bozo190101 wrote:
I try and pick numbers but that doesn't seem to work well as I spend too much time picking integers, consequtive numbers etc. Any tips there? How many cases should one try? What do you mean by construction of examples?

See these examples:
7-t60746
7-t59278
7-t61019
7-t61339

Sometimes I:
- seek simplest example (and therefore the fastest one to check) (a^2+b^2=1: I try a=1,b=0 and a=0,b=1)
- seek examples that in the range where I expected to find them.
- use very large or small numbers: 100000000, 0.0000000001. When I use them a solution often become obvious.
- try one example and then see how to construct right examples
- use drawing.

kazakhb wrote:
where are you from, walker?

Ukraine, Kyiv
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18 Mar 2008, 09:38
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omg, i need to stop using the 1000sc software, I can't believe walker only made a 33. jk

seriously man, your software has helped me improve my verbal score dramatically. i use it to practice whenever i have spare time. but I think the other one has helped me the most is MGMAT SC review. I used to get about 40-50% of sc problems right, after using the book, my rate improved to about 80-90%

Thanks walker for the 1000sc, hope you do well!
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18 Mar 2008, 10:52
billyjeans wrote:
omg, i need to stop using the 1000sc software, I can't believe walker only made a 33. jk

billyjeans wrote:
seriously man, your software has helped me improve my verbal score dramatically. i use it to practice whenever i have spare time. but I think the other one has helped me the most is MGMAT SC review. I used to get about 40-50% of sc problems right, after using the book, my rate improved to about 80-90%

Thanks walker for the 1000sc, hope you do well!

I'm glad that my software helped somebody! MGMAT SC review is really good stuff. Now, I do ~75-80% SC, ~80-90%CR, ~80-90% RC. But deconcentration on RC killed my score Maybe you have any suggestions?
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18 Mar 2008, 11:15
I usually do pretty well on CR, SC is my weakest. I think RC is the one I have the most trouble concentrate on, and I don't like to scroll. This part is nasty, but luckily for most essays, you really don't have read every line of the paragraph.

I don't know how to give you advice on how to concentrate. I say do a little bit Tai Chi will probably help. JK. I think it would help if you practice in a noisy environment, such as on a bench inside a park or in the common hall of a dormitory. I once read about some famous person enjoys reading right next to a very noisy street, and he said something like "when I am into what I am reading, everything on the outside world disappears." Hope this helps, maybe other people have some other ideas!
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18 Mar 2008, 11:19
walker,
sounds like that 70 score was an accident. either re-take GMP1 or take GMP2 and you'll get a at least a 750......then, there won't be any need for over-dramatizing
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18 Mar 2008, 13:04
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I usually do pretty well on CR, SC is my weakest. I think RC is the one I have the most trouble concentrate on, and I don't like to scroll. This part is nasty, but luckily for most essays, you really don't have read every line of the paragraph.

I don't know how to give you advice on how to concentrate. I say do a little bit Tai Chi will probably help. JK. I think it would help if you practice in a noisy environment, such as on a bench inside a park or in the common hall of a dormitory. I once read about some famous person enjoys reading right next to a very noisy street, and he said something like "when I am into what I am reading, everything on the outside world disappears." Hope this helps, maybe other people have some other ideas!

Thanks I just start use my little son as a generator of noise. And sometimes It is like torture
I have to acknowledge that I still have a weak vocabulary, although I've added to my head about 1500 words for last 4 months. Maybe unrecognized words in RC are a cause.....

chineseburned wrote:
walker,
sounds like that 70 score was an accident. either re-take GMP1 or take GMP2 and you'll get a at least a 750......then, there won't be any need for over-dramatizing

I'm going to retake Prep1 in 4-5 days. I hope you are right!
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I'm glad that my software helped somebody! MGMAT SC review is really good stuff. Now, I do ~75-80% SC, ~80-90%CR, ~80-90% RC. But deconcentration on RC killed my score Maybe you have any suggestions?

give a ring to rhym at Uni of Cgicago, GBS.
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give a ring to rhym at Uni of Cgicago, GBS.

Thanks a lot! I've found it: 1-t30247
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