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Guidebook writer: I have visited hotels throughout the country and have noticed that in those built before 1930 the quality of the original carpentry work is generally superior to that in hotels built afterward. Clearly carpenters working on hotels before 1930 typically worked with more skill, care, and effort than carpenters who have worked on hotels built subsequently.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously weakens the guidebook writer’s argument?

A. The quality of original carpentry in hotels is generally far superior to the quality of original carpentry in other structures, such as houses and stores.
B. Hotels built since 1930 can generally accommodate more guests than those built before 1930.
C. The materials available to carpenters working before 1930 were not significantly different in quality from the materials available to carpenters working after 1930.
D. The better the quality of original carpentry in a building, the less likely that building is to fall into disuse and be demolished.
E. The average length of apprenticeship for carpenters has declined significantly since 1930.
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Re: CR # 1 [#permalink] New post 17 Dec 2005, 11:29
A. The quality of original carpentry in hotels is generally far superior to the quality of original carpentry in other structures, such as houses and stores. ==> Strengthen the argument

B. Hotels built since 1930 can generally accommodate more guests than those built before 1930. ==> Correct. Hotels built before 1930s were smaller thus carpenters are able to pay attention to the details

C. The materials available to carpenters working before 1930 were not significantly different in quality from the materials available to carpenters working after 1930. ==> If materials were no different, it must be the quality of the workers that differentiated the quality. Strenghten the argument

D. The better the quality of original carpentry in a building, the less likely that building is to fall into disuse and be demolished. ==> Out of Scope

E. The average length of apprenticeship for carpenters has declined significantly since 1930 ==> Strengthen the argument
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Dec 2005, 21:26
Agreed with TeHCM.
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Dec 2005, 22:36
D it is.
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2005, 06:36
Originally I chose A, but after reread the passage I think D it is.

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 [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2005, 11:35
Very difficult.

I choose B here, although the passage does not give any trigger.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2005, 01:10
I go with A.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2005, 03:07
very good job TechM.

OA is B. Hotels built before 1930s were smaller thus carpenters are able to pay attention to the details .
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2005, 06:56
nakib77 wrote:
very good job TechM.

OA is B. Hotels built before 1930s were smaller thus carpenters are able to pay attention to the details .


nabik77, are you sure about OA?

I still think D is correct in this case.

conclusion:
carpenters working on hotels before 1930 typically worked with more skill, care, and effort than carpenters who have worked on hotels built subsequently.

B. the size of the hotel does not have any direct relationship with the quality of workmanship, IMO

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The better the quality of original carpentry in a building, the less likely that building is to fall into disuse and be demolished.

it indicates that only "good quality" hotels build before 1930 are left as poor quality buildings might have been fell into disuse. Thus, indicating that carpenters workmanship might not have been better for buildings prior to 1930.

please provide OE if you have.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2005, 06:58
I found this discussion on same CR:

http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15053
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2005, 08:14
I would still go with D. It is not the skill but the proper mainataince that makes the pre 1930's look better in quality.
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Mar 2006, 08:23
nakib77 wrote:
very good job TechM.

OA is B. Hotels built before 1930s were smaller thus carpenters are able to pay attention to the details .


Sorry nakib77 but u're wrong. OA is D!
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Mar 2006, 17:55
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I found this discussion on same CR:

http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15053


After going thru this thread, I understood the question as below -
Assume 3 out of 10 hotels built before 1930 have superior carpentry and hence only 3 survived. The writer can only go to these 3 hotels and hence his claim is limited to a sample or a subset.
What if 6 out of 10 hotels built after 1930 have superior carpentry. Just because the 4 inferior hotels built after 1930 are compared to 3 survived superior hotels, the conclusion is not generic and hence weakened.
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Mar 2006, 12:36
Bhai wrote:
I would still go with D. It is not the skill but the proper mainataince that makes the pre 1930's look better in quality.



IMO, both B and D are not strong enough.

We can be tempting to choose B as we think that the more guests coming in the hotels, the more frequently the carpentry is touched ( thus, easier to be spoiled) ---> here, we're trapped coz how many guests a hotel can accomodate doesn't necessarily mean that the hotel has that many guests ---> B is not strong enough.

D only confirms that those hotels built before 1930 have better carpentry than that of hotels built after 1930 ---> but it doesn't mean anything about the maintenance. One may think that the longetivity of hotels is contributed to the originally high-qualitied carpentry, but the reversed can't be confirmed.

Anyway, this CR is really controversial!
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Mar 2006, 18:48
A – Out of scope.
B – Alternative explanation to why the quality of the post-1930 ones is lower, rather than simply being a decrease in carpentry skills. Weakens the writer's argument.
C – If anything, this strengthens the writer’s argument.
D – Out of scope.
E – Strengthens the writer’s argument.

Answer, B.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2006, 02:48
I think it is B....if the hotel can accomodate more guests, that means that there will be more people to spoil the carpentry as compared to the hotel that has less guests.... thus the deteoriation of carpentry is not due to lousy carpentry but due to human intervention....

What is OA?
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2006, 03:28
Premise:
1) Carpentry work before 1930 more superior than capentry work after 1930

Conclusion
2) Carpenters work with more skill/care/effort before 1930 than carpenters do after 1930


Which of the following, if true, most seriously weakens the guidebook writer’s argument?

A. Irrelevant

B. Irrelevant

C. Strenthens teh claim

D. Irrelevant

E. The average length of apprenticeship for carpenters has declined significantly since 1930.

Best option seems to be E. If length of apprenticeship has declined, then it means new carpenters spend less time with their mentors. So they may work with the same amount of care/effort but they are just not as skilled.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2006, 19:22
what is OA?
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2006, 20:18
I too do not agree with B.
Reason: The hotels before and after would have been of the same size... but, if the rooms in 1930 hotels are bigger than the rooms in after 1930 hotels, this option does not stand.
D - D makes sense.
E - I initially picked E. But, I now understand that we need to assume a lot to arrive at E.

OA please....
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2006, 19:45
E is not weaking the argument. It is supporting that the skill level of the carpenters is declined after 1930. I will go with D. B leaves too much to be assumed. OA please.
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