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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2012, 09:51
worth reading, analysis of New Stats posted by HBS, in Poets and Quants:
At HBS, Older MBAs Seem In Vogue
http://poetsandquants.com/2012/09/06/at ... -in-vogue/
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2012, 13:48
Hey Sandy, looking for your opinion on HBS's 2nd question... I want to talk about my experience working on a side project as a startup that failed. I still had/have a fulltime job that did not suffer as a result. My basic strategy is to talk about the lessons learned in my failed startup and how that helped me perform better in my real job.

My question to you is, would HBS believe me? I mean at this point, there is no real way for me to 'prove' my claims on the startup. Website has been taken down/etc.
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2012, 16:02
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Hey Sandy, looking for your opinion on HBS's 2nd question... I want to talk about my experience working on a side project as a startup that failed. I still had/have a fulltime job that did not suffer as a result. My basic strategy is to talk about the lessons learned in my failed startup and how that helped me perform better in my real job.

My question to you is, would HBS believe me? I mean at this point, there is no real way for me to 'prove' my claims on the startup. Website has been taken down/etc.


they dont care if it happened or not (well, dont say you are making it up, and try to have a grain of reality), they just care about what you did and how you could have done better, an essay like that works if the start-up idea was interesting, your role was interesting, your mistakes were dense and interesting, and you come up w. some BS lessons for why your role was ineffective, it helps if idea cld have been successful and wasnt, but that is also not necessary.
Trust me, I have read 100s of failed start-up essays already -- many fr. 2+2 kids who have NOW GOTTEN IN. Yup, actual kids who answered these annoying and ineffective questions have already been admitted (just yesterday as a matter of fact), and if your read their essays, you might be tempted to OCCUPY DEE LEOPOLD'S OFFICE at how beside the pt. so much of this essay set is.
But hey, being a good future business leader is so much about just marching ahead LOVING these questions and doing your best. You don't complain, that is what I am for.

Anyway, to answer your actual question, you cert. dont need to prove that start-up existed, and they wont ask, just sound convincing, as to idea, place, duration, reasons for it going kaput and your role in that.
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2012, 18:44
hi,

Now that we are nearing round 1 deadline most of the round1 warriors would have already finished off their essays and my guess is a substantial number would be on short answers and applications.

for benefit of the whole my fellow applicants ( and of course for seeking comments:-) ) I would outline two approaches to the question that I came across during my research. Experts please point which approach would be suitable.

APPROACH 1: write specific job function, specific geographical location, specific company you want to work. then write why MBA and for internationals why MBA in US? problem with this approach: word count- I wrote this approach and I could squeeze just 77 words for 500 characters. plus if you address all these each point is not addressed to the extent one would like.

APPROACH 2 : Write why MBA- how it is a bridge between your past job and future choice that you have indicated. if possible push in why HBS into this. Problem with this approach: one does not indicate specific task, location and appointment choice that actually show clarity of goals of the applicant.

HBSGURU and HBSGrad any comments that you might be able to offer will be highly appreciated!!!
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2012, 18:50
Sandy this is more of a general question rather than a specific HBS one but I havent found info anywhere and was hoping you could help. If I went to an undergrad school that gave out the rare A+s which were 4.3/4.0, do I need to recalculate my GPA such that A+s are equivalent to a 4.0? Thanks for your help.
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2012, 07:44
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Now that we are nearing round 1 deadline most of the round1 warriors would have already finished off their essays and my guess is a substantial number would be on short answers and applications.

for benefit of the whole my fellow applicants ( and of course for seeking comments:-) ) I would outline two approaches to the question that I came across during my research. Experts please point which approach would be suitable.

APPROACH 1: write specific job function, specific geographical location, specific company you want to work. then write why MBA and for internationals why MBA in US? problem with this approach: word count- I wrote this approach and I could squeeze just 77 words for 500 characters. plus if you address all these each point is not addressed to the extent one would like.

APPROACH 2 : Write why MBA- how it is a bridge between your past job and future choice that you have indicated. if possible push in why HBS into this. Problem with this approach: one does not indicate specific task, location and appointment choice that actually show clarity of goals of the applicant.

HBSGURU and HBSGrad any comments that you might be able to offer will be highly appreciated!!!


JEEPERS buddy, you way overthinking this, a result of the lack of essay space in this app making all other aspects of the app seem crucial, which is NOT the case. You really cannot make much gain in this section, but you can screw up by saying things that are odd, off point, stating a goal which does not req. an MBA or exhibiting ignorance about HBS. But even so, even if you wrote, "A Stanford MBA could thus help me reach my goals by
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--if they otherwise liked you, they would admit you and laff about it. Things like that have actually happened.

My advice for this section is to state an impactful goal --the best version of industry you choose, e.g. "I want to be an innovative leader in PE and Technolgoy, I admire companies like x and y, or leaders like 1 and 2, and hope to do 1 2 3 . HBS can help me by blah, blah. THE END. Ways you can damage yourself is to say you want to do something for which you do not need an MBA, e.g. run for office (altho that is OK as one aspect of future goals, after establishing yourself, esp if you want to be CEO then Senator, etc), be a rock star, be an author, or in some cases, continue your day trading career at a higher level (real bad!!), or even trading in general (they may let that slide, IF they otherwise like you) -- faux pas like those, combined with other elements of your app, could add up to clear pic of someone who does not know what B school/HBS is all about.
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2012, 07:50
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Sandy this is more of a general question rather than a specific HBS one but I havent found info anywhere and was hoping you could help. If I went to an undergrad school that gave out the rare A+s which were 4.3/4.0, do I need to recalculate my GPA such that A+s are equivalent to a 4.0? Thanks for your help.


Not sure, quite frankly. What does your registrar do?? I would not count those A+ as 4.3 and pretend the school was operating on a 4.0 scale however, b.c. that is really distorting things (esp. if you had five or so A+'s) Counting the A+ as 4.0 is not a distortion, so it has that going for it.
You can do that and explain in some optional essay, also official transcripts (and unofficial ones) have some mumbo jumbo on them explaining this, you might read that.
You can also call HBS, they answer Q's like this, altho not sure what they will say. Prob. write a note in Additional Info . . . their default answer.
If you do call and find out, let me know.
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2012, 10:23
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2012, 22:41
hbsguru wrote:
emmanuelle8 wrote:
"if you outline your stats and work history --I'll let you know if peeps like you get into H/S/W
--one impt issue is, has anyone fr. your current firm or similar position applied to hsw and what outcomes."
Hi Sandy, I have a 3.5 GPA in a double major (but declining! :( 3.9 3.9 3.5 3.1 3.3 but because majors are difficult and this is the normal trend, especially since 60% of my class was kicked out from course) and 760 GMAT. Female from MNC (chevron, shell, exxon) oil and gas, first from sales role and then finance role in refinery. Strong extra-C's in college and post-college. Goal to expand agriculture-related family biz..Southeast asian. (not chinese or indian).

What do you think?


I think you need to explain those declining GPA's --rest is real solid. 760 GMAT is real good and being female Big Oil is always a plus, even if in sales. more of a plus if in operations and you got oil platform experience. Expanding fam biz can work as a goal but it really helps if current biz is BIG already. E.g employs hundreds.
Depending on recs, and execution of app and your ability to explain those GPA declines and document it!!!! --well gals like you could get into H/S/W. One element will be leveraging extra currics and showing how work at Oil Major has prepared you to take impactful and transformative role w. family biz.
Note that on Dee Leopold's latest HBS blog, where she breaks out the entering class, one stat is "9%--have worked or plan to work in family business" -that is 82-83 people out of class of ~916.


Hi sandy, is 150-200 employees considered BIG for MBA purposes?
Also, i explained my declining GPA's in my "what i didnt do well" part. I had a very shallow personal issue in college which i felt i didnt handle well at all (not related to something sensitive like relationships etc), which made me very insecure and is mainly the reason for drop in 4th year, affected friendships, etc. Its along the lines of "i wish i handled this istuation better". Would that be okay?
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2012, 21:56
Hi Folks,

In the application, it asks to list 3 extracurricular activities. Is this limited to post-university extracurriculars?
Also for the Awards section, is it specific to post-university awards?

I created a ticket to get this answered. Anyone know of a webpage with the answer?

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Re: HBS 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2012, 22:07
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Dbalks wrote:
Does anyone know how many recommenders Harvard requires? I have heard 3 but just wanted to confirm.


3 it is - Atleast two of whom need to be professional recommenders i.e. people whom you've worked with at your current/past companies. Third can be a professional recommender/a client/HBS alumnus etc.

Btw, excellent GMAT score progression there! Great stuff!!



Hi str1der / folks,

I was wondering if anyone can share where on the HBS site it mentions the number of recommenders?

It's not mentioned on the FAQ page (http://www.hbs.edu/mba/faq/)

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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 06:51
Firstly i apologize for re-posting the same questions. I posted these in US military forum but I did not get any reply. Since this forum is frequesnted by experts quite a bit I hope to get responses.

The HBS application says to list each employer only once even if one has served multiple positions under the employer and explain the positions in resume.

So do we list Army as single employer and explain various positions in different units in resume or do we list employer as each unit I have served in and then explain various positions in each unit in the resume?? basic question is my employer army or my unit?? seems a bit silly but would be great if somebody could clear this up.

Secondly, after my graduation from a service academy , I went to training academy for officer training for one year. do we count the one year training in our experience?? We were paid stipend during the training and when we got commissioned we were paid the balance of pay in lump sum. So that should make it experience. But we were also awarded Post Graduate Diploma in defense management and strategic studies from a deemed university. So that makes it studies. I guess by now everybody has understood my dilemma. where to account for training period??

I am asking this because my classmates in corporate add training in their respective firm before starting work in their experience.

Thirdly, The column for Graduate and other coursework, there is a drop down menu which does not have the option of Post Graduate Diploma. Where should this degree be entered as HBS asks for all coursework done after graduation.

I know I have been asking a lot of silly questions but I guess i can blame it on not having to fill a form last 11 years and the pecularity of my military experience.

Thanks for the patience to read till here!! :-D

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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2012, 00:19
Arun, my responses below

arunpanda22 wrote:
Firstly i apologize for re-posting the same questions. I posted these in US military forum but I did not get any reply. Since this forum is frequesnted by experts quite a bit I hope to get responses.

The HBS application says to list each employer only once even if one has served multiple positions under the employer and explain the positions in resume.

So do we list Army as single employer and explain various positions in different units in resume or do we list employer as each unit I have served in and then explain various positions in each unit in the resume?? basic question is my employer army or my unit?? seems a bit silly but would be great if somebody could clear this up. - List the Army as one employer, various positions below that.

Secondly, after my graduation from a service academy , I went to training academy for officer training for one year. do we count the one year training in our experience?? We were paid stipend during the training and when we got commissioned we were paid the balance of pay in lump sum. So that should make it experience. But we were also awarded Post Graduate Diploma in defense management and strategic studies from a deemed university. So that makes it studies. I guess by now everybody has understood my dilemma. where to account for training period?? - If you were at the service academy, without deployment, for the entire year, it would count as education. Especially as you received a diploma later.

I am asking this because my classmates in corporate add training in their respective firm before starting work in their experience. Corporate resumes and Army background resumes are apples and oranges. Don't compare them directly.

Thirdly, The column for Graduate and other coursework, there is a drop down menu which does not have the option of Post Graduate Diploma. Where should this degree be entered as HBS asks for all coursework done after graduation. - If this was a diploma granted by a university, after you had completed your bachelor's degree/IMA/NDA, this should come under graduate coursework. Also, you will not find direct educational qualification reference of indian degrees in the dropdown - choose the closest matching one, and if necessary, explain it in the space provided

I know I have been asking a lot of silly questions but I guess i can blame it on not having to fill a form last 11 years and the pecularity of my military experience. You have been serving the country for 11 years. I don't think any question you ask here will be deemed 'silly'. Thanks for doing what you do

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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2012, 06:04
Just started up a couple of weeks ago here and am loving it. Already have met incredible people I know are going to impact my future. Good luck all! It will be worth it in the end!
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2012, 07:23
12 days to go! Are people done with the essays?
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2012, 08:35
If somebody could attempt to generalize, how much does an applicant's chances go down from applying from R1 to R2? Also, if anybody thinks those chances will be different this year (perhaps due to reports of increased volume or application submission patterns), please pass along your opinions?

Was planning on applying R1, but I am 90% sure I'm going to hold my work so far and submit next round. Feeling a little big uncertain though so some insight could be great.
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2012, 17:55
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12 days to go! Are people done with the essays?


Essays done... hopefully hitting submit a few days early! Just working on the short-answer questions at the moment.

How are your essays getting on?
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2012, 19:30
Essays are done, just polishing/editing a few things. Need to start the short answers..

A question on the Employment section. For Job Responsibilities, are we just writing about the overall/generic things we do? E.g., if you are a consultant, what would you say (as your responsibilities vary by project).

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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2012, 10:07
Question on the Extracurricular Section:

They ask for the number of members for each activity. Is that the total number of members in our specific role or in the entire organization?
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Re: Harvard 2013 (HBS) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2012, 10:21
Ok, wow, some of you guys are going to be an MBA student at HBS one yer from now, that is huge! Godspeed to all of you!
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