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Harvard University's business school has more than one graduate doctoral degree program. The DBA (Doctor of Business Administration) programs are administered by Harvard Business School and the Ph.D. (Doctor of Philosophy) Programs are offered jointly with Harvard's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, which is part of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS). At Harvard, only the FAS can confer the title of Doctor of Philosophy.

Which of the following statements logically follows from the information above ?

(A) A student who wants to maximize chances for acceptance to a program can apply to both the DBA and to the Ph.D. programs at Harvard.

(B) Applicants to Harvard's joint Ph.D. Programs are not eligible for the Doctor of Business Administration programs.

(C) Some students in the Business Economics Ph.D. Program at Harvard will not have their degrees granted by the faculty of Harvard Business School.

(D) The Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard can only grant the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree.

(E) The fields of study in which students can pursue the DBA or a Ph.D. at Harvard Business School are similar but the degree requirements are distinct.


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This is an Inference question, so the best approach is to eliminate those choices that could be false. This is a tricky question because it looks like they all could be false!!

Answer (A) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Similarly, answer (B) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Answer (D) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about what, if any, degrees other than the Ph.D the FAS can grant. Answer (E) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about the similarities or differences between the two programs except for the fact that the degrees are granted by two different sets of faculty. Answer (C) is the right choice because the “some” in the answer includes the possibility of “all” and, according to the passage, all students in the Ph.D. Program can only have their degrees granted by the FAS, not by the faculty of the Business School.
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Re: Harvard Ph.D Vs DBA [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2012, 07:48
....The answer is ( C ) for me.

Since PhD can only be confered by the FAS, so students studying Business Eco at Harvard would not be granted a degree by the faculty of the Business School. it has to be confered by the FAS , since its a PhD.
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Re: Harvard Ph.D Vs DBA [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2012, 12:36
I agree, C. PhDs are awarded through FAS, but can be done in conjunction with the Business School. This option allows for students to attend both or just FAS

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Re: Harvard Ph.D Vs DBA [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 02:05
Must be True Question: I see D is true as "only the FAS can confer the title of Doctor of Philosophy."

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Re: Harvard Ph.D Vs DBA [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 04:27
(A) A student who wants to maximize chances for acceptance to a program can apply to both the DBA and to the Ph.D. programs at Harvard.
we do not know this info from the passage. In passage, it does not say something about the chance to apply both programs
(B) Applicants to Harvard's joint Ph.D. Programs are not eligible for the Doctor of Business Administration programs.
it weakens the passage. Due to dual-degree, someone with PHD might be eligible for the Doctor of Biz Administration
(C) Some students in the Business Economics Ph.D. Program at Harvard will not have their degrees granted by the facultyof Harvard Business School.
Yes. Someone have dual degree, meaning that someone do not have.
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Re: Harvard Ph.D Vs DBA [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 04:29
(D) The Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard can only grant the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree.
It's wrong, due to the position of the word "only". The position is different from the one in the passage, so it provide the wrong info.

(E) The fields of study in which students can pursue the DBA or a Ph.D. at Harvard Business School are similar but the degree requirements are distinct.
in the passage, it doest not say that study field. So we do not know anything about that
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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 27 Jan 2014, 09:12
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Harvard University's business school has more than one graduate doctoral degree program. The DBA (Doctor of Business Administration) programs are administered by Harvard Business School and the Ph.D. (Doctor of Philosophy) Programs are offered jointly with Harvard's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, which is part of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS). At Harvard, only the FAS can confer the title of Doctor of Philosophy.

Which of the following statements logically follows from the information above ?

(A) A student who wants to maximize chances for acceptance to a program can apply to both the DBA and to the Ph.D. programs at Harvard.

(B) Applicants to Harvard's joint Ph.D. Programs are not eligible for the Doctor of Business Administration programs.

(C) Some students in the Business Economics Ph.D. Program at Harvard will not have their degrees granted by the faculty of Harvard Business School.

(D) The Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard can only grant the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree.

(E) The fields of study in which students can pursue the DBA or a Ph.D. at Harvard Business School are similar but the degree requirements are distinct.


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Can you please share the OA and OE.
IMO it is B

Reasoning:

Flow of the argument: Two different programs have been discussed and so the last statement should carry the mood if not is an additional statement to the sentence prior to it.

Only B connects the both programs saying one who applies for 1 program cannot ably for the other

(A) A student who wants to maximize chances for acceptance to a program can apply to both the DBA and to the Ph.D. programs at Harvard.
Not logicaly connected

(B) Applicants to Harvard's joint Ph.D. Programs are not eligible for the Doctor of Business Administration programs.
As explained

(C) Some students in the Business Economics Ph.D. Program at Harvard will not have their degrees granted by the faculty of Harvard Business School.
No way related

(D) The Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard can only grant the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree.
No way related

(E) The fields of study in which students can pursue the DBA or a Ph.D. at Harvard Business School are similar but the degree requirements are distinct.
No way related

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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 27 Jan 2014, 20:25
OA is C and I too selected option C for the same reasoning given by David from VeritasPrep as below:

Official Explanation:

This is an Inference question, so the best approach is to eliminate those choices that could be false. This is a tricky question because it looks like they all could be false!!

Answer (A) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Similarly, answer (B) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Answer (D) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about what, if any, degrees other than the Ph.D the FAS can grant. Answer (E) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about the similarities or differences between the two programs except for the fact that the degrees are granted by two different sets of faculty. Answer (C) is the right choice because the “some” in the answer includes the possibility of “all” and, according to the passage, all students in the Ph.D. Program can only have their degrees granted by the FAS, not by the faculty of the Business School.


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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 27 Jan 2014, 21:51
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OA is C and I too selected option C for the same reasoning given by David from VeritasPrep as below:

Official Explanation:

This is an Inference question, so the best approach is to eliminate those choices that could be false. This is a tricky question because it looks like they all could be false!!

Answer (A) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Similarly, answer (B) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Answer (D) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about what, if any, degrees other than the Ph.D the FAS can grant. Answer (E) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about the similarities or differences between the two programs except for the fact that the degrees are granted by two different sets of faculty. Answer (C) is the right choice because the “some” in the answer includes the possibility of “all” and, according to the passage, all students in the Ph.D. Program can only have their degrees granted by the FAS, not by the faculty of the Business School.


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I wish to defer on two points:

1. The question stem is asking what logically follows the passage. It seems tome The complete the last sentece of the passage.
2. C is bringing a new point onto the table: 'Business Economics Ph.D.' isn't discussed anywhere in the passage before.
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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 27 Jan 2014, 23:18
C is actually not bringing any new information if you read the stem carefully along with official explanation. Instead option B brings in new info about eligibility for the Doctor of Business Administration programs. This eligibility is never a part of the stem.

Sure if you can see that in the stem then please highlight the same in the stem as inferred by you. :-)

aditya111 wrote:
mba1382 wrote:
OA is C and I too selected option C for the same reasoning given by David from VeritasPrep as below:

Official Explanation:

This is an Inference question, so the best approach is to eliminate those choices that could be false. This is a tricky question because it looks like they all could be false!!

Answer (A) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Similarly, answer (B) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Answer (D) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about what, if any, degrees other than the Ph.D the FAS can grant. Answer (E) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about the similarities or differences between the two programs except for the fact that the degrees are granted by two different sets of faculty. Answer (C) is the right choice because the “some” in the answer includes the possibility of “all” and, according to the passage, all students in the Ph.D. Program can only have their degrees granted by the FAS, not by the faculty of the Business School.


Hope this helps!!



I wish to defer on two points:

1. The question stem is asking what logically follows the passage. It seems tome The complete the last sentece of the passage.
2. C is bringing a new point onto the table: 'Business Economics Ph.D.' isn't discussed anywhere in the passage before.
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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2014, 10:20
aditya111 wrote:
mba1382 wrote:
OA is C and I too selected option C for the same reasoning given by David from VeritasPrep as below:

Official Explanation:

This is an Inference question, so the best approach is to eliminate those choices that could be false. This is a tricky question because it looks like they all could be false!!

Answer (A) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Similarly, answer (B) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Answer (D) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about what, if any, degrees other than the Ph.D the FAS can grant. Answer (E) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about the similarities or differences between the two programs except for the fact that the degrees are granted by two different sets of faculty. Answer (C) is the right choice because the “some” in the answer includes the possibility of “all” and, according to the passage, all students in the Ph.D. Program can only have their degrees granted by the FAS, not by the faculty of the Business School.


Hope this helps!!




I wish to defer on two points:

1. The question stem is asking what logically follows the passage. It seems tome The complete the last sentece of the passage.
2. C is bringing a new point onto the table: 'Business Economics Ph.D.' isn't discussed anywhere in the passage before.


I m still confused about D ? The passage mentions that FAS can only confer the title of PHD ?
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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2014, 12:31
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I m still confused about D ? The passage mentions that FAS can only confer the title of PHD ?


Still, we know that answer choice D is wrong because of deductive reasoning:

Stimulus: "At Harvard, only the FAS can confer the title of Doctor of Philosophy."
Structure) Sufficient -> Necessary (for which "only" is indicator)
Premise) D.Phil -> FAS
Premise) D.Phil
Conclusion) FAS

Answer choice D: "The faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard can only grant the Doctor of Philosophy degree."
Structure) Sufficient -> Necessary (for which "only" is indicator)
Premise) FAS -> D.Phil
Premise) FAS
Conclusion) D.Phil.
This is a complete reversal of the stimulus and does stand as a valid logic form.

Someone needs to take a serious look at what the OA stated:
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Answer (C) is the right choice because the “some” in the answer includes the possibility of “all” and, according to the passage, all students in the Ph.D. Program can only have their degrees granted by the FAS, not by the faculty of the Business School.


"Some" does not include "all." Perhaps the author meant the reverse "all" includes the possibility of "some." As it stands, this statement above is false, thus providing for unsound reasoning.

Am I losing my mind here?
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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2014, 20:36
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aditya111 wrote:
mba1382 wrote:
OA is C and I too selected option C for the same reasoning given by David from VeritasPrep as below:

Official Explanation:

This is an Inference question, so the best approach is to eliminate those choices that could be false. This is a tricky question because it looks like they all could be false!!

Answer (A) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Similarly, answer (B) is not necessarily true. The passage provides no information about probability for acceptance not about whether applicants are allowed to apply to both types of programs. Answer (D) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about what, if any, degrees other than the Ph.D the FAS can grant. Answer (E) is incorrect because the passage provides no information about the similarities or differences between the two programs except for the fact that the degrees are granted by two different sets of faculty. Answer (C) is the right choice because the “some” in the answer includes the possibility of “all” and, according to the passage, all students in the Ph.D. Program can only have their degrees granted by the FAS, not by the faculty of the Business School.


Hope this helps!!




I wish to defer on two points:

1. The question stem is asking what logically follows the passage. It seems tome The complete the last sentece of the passage.
2. C is bringing a new point onto the table: 'Business Economics Ph.D.' isn't discussed anywhere in the passage before.


I m still confused about D ? The passage mentions that FAS can only confer the title of PHD ?



The Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard can only grant the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree.

is different from -

Only the Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard can grant the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree.
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Re: Harvard University's business school has more than one [#permalink] New post 17 Mar 2014, 01:37
I would like a reasonable explanation other than the OE to why option C is considered within the scope of the argument. The way I see it, the question nowhere raises the topic of Business Economics Ph.D. Apart from this, one has to have prior knowledge about the existence of a course in HBS that offers a Business Economics Ph.D. I understand that Business Schools USUALLY offer business economics Ph.D but to assume so would be out of the scope of the argument in question.

For us to logically flow from the given premise to option C one would require either the mention of an economics program in the question or the assumption that HBS offers a Ph.D in business economics.
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