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HAS ANYONE TRIED MANHATTEN GMAT CLASSES? [#permalink] New post 20 Jun 2006, 15:17
Would just like some feedback on if anyone has tried them in the New York area. If you can tell me how the classes are different asa compared to Kaplan and Princeton that would be perfect. I took Kaplan and it was horrible too many kids in the class and teacher went fast thinking we know the stuff and just showed us tips and tricks which was worthless.

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This stands true for all 7 Manhattan GMAT books. Are they a bit more expensive? Yes. Is it worth it? Absolutely. I've had both Kaplan and Princeton books, CDS, other books, and I always felt they fell short. Other books focus on teaching you relatively complex strategies to save time, but ignore the fundamentals. Problem is, you can show me a million shortcuts, but if I don't remember HOW to solve the problem, the shortcuts only get me to a wrong answer faster.

The Manhattan method addresses fundamentals directly.

If you don't remember Geometry, thats fine - Manhattan will teach it to you again, ground up. Have trouble manipulating fractions? Again, manhattan will go over it from the ground up - while showing you a few speed tricks - but the focus is on the fundamentals, not just some "tip".

Their philosophy is that if you don't remember the fundamentals of a specific subject, you can't possibly be expected to get the question right - speed tip or no speed tip.

The method in which they cover each subject is also helpful. Typically, they introduce a concept, then show you how that concept applies with one or two sample questions, then build on that initial easy question and show you another piece of the puzzle, then again, show you with sample questions. Unlike a lot of the other books I have where the sample questions that supposedly build your knowledge are typically written by the guys making the book, in almost every case, Manhattan uses a specific question from the Official Guides. This not only means that you are learning using real examples, but that you can find the question and MBA's solution as well.

It's very much of a building block mentality - step by step. Understand what an integer is first, then understand a fraction, then understand how to manipulate fractions, then understand different properties of fractions, then combine fractions with exponents and learn how to manipulate those, and so on. By the end of each chapter, you'll end up seeing more challenging problems.

I also appreciate that the books really start from the bottom of a topic - the first page of a chapter is typically so basic that you will skim it - but in areas where you might be weak, that first piece may actually be very helpful.

The tips they provide are not just tips, they are real intelligent methods of solving a problem. For example, every book teaches you to memorize the data sufficiency options - A is this, B, is that, if its not A then it cant be D, etc. Kaplan tries to teach you this by making you memorize each option and the combinations. If its not B, and not A, then.... To me, this was just confusing. Manhattan teaches you what they call an AD/BCE method, which is very easy to memorize and takes ten or twenty minutes to master.

They also teach you strategies that will work in a bind - Questions such as (and im making this up to illustrate the point, but you'll get the idea) "What is 26/49ths of 5340" tend to freak me out (or they did), until Manhattan taught you to recognize that twice 49 is 98, and twice 26 is 52, so roughly, whats 1/2 of 5340? It may seem immediately obvious to a lot of people, but if it didn't to you, Manhattan will teach you how to estimate with confidence. If the question was very exact, you may not be able to do this, but often, you'll find that the estimate is sufficient to identify the right answer. Similar strategies are taught for dealing with decimals, exponents and big numbers - (whats 0.0015 divided by 0.05?).

The material is laid out in a much much clearer fashion than most other books which tend to lump huge pieces of the exam together. I've seen many books have a chapter called "Geometry". And in there is a laundry list of formulas.

Not so with Manhattan.

Each book contains several chapters, each chapter on a very specific section of material. At the end of each chapter are a list of specific questions from the Official Guide 11th edition and the verbal and math supplements that test exactly what was in that specific chapter. So, after reading about, say, manipulating inequalities, you can go practice on ten or twenty or thirty practice questions that specifically address exactly that subject. Each subject is segmented well.

To the best of my knowledge, this is the only series of books that ties their own strategies and lessons to specific questions in the Official Guide to this level of detail. They even tell you what questions in the Official Guide are considered "challenge problems", so if you think you've got a subject down already, just go try those.

The huge advantage of this is two fold:

One, because you test your understanding immediately by focusing on exactly the right kinds of questions, you can quickly figure out if you "get it". With other books, I'd find myself reading up on a specific subject - say Rate problems - and then wondering where to go find more rate problems.

Second, if you later want to come back and do practice problems of a specific kind because you need to review, it takes all of 3 minutes to find the right page in the book and you have a huge section of practice problems straight from the official guide to go back to.

This was one of my frustrations with previous books - finding a specific kind of question that I wanted to practice on was often tricky because the competitors don't segment the content as finely. Other books tend to lump this material together and you have to wade through hundreds of questions on similar material before you find the two or three questions that test exactly what you were looking to practice.

As a result, the Manhattan books save you time - and a lot of frustration. This is particularly the case as you get closer to the exam and you begin to want to review very specific portions of the material.

Also, note that they cover every single question in the official guides. If you do all of the chapters in all seven books and complete all questions listed in the back of every chapter, you will have done all 800 practice questions from the Official Guide and all questions from the verbal and quantitive supplements. In other words, they don't cherry pick the questions to make you feel good. You will do everything from the easy to the hard.

In addition, each chapter contains 15 practice questions that are not multiple choice (so you can't just pick numbers or back-solve). This forces you to really learn the material again rather than simply looking at a problem and testing out answer choices.

As with most books, the focus is on the quantitive side, but the verbal books are the only ones I've read that actually provided tangible help. One of the most amazing strategies you will read about is how you DONT read those long reading comprehension passages. Seriously. Don't read them.
Sound strange? Yes. But it works.

I started using their strategy - haven't read a whole reading comprehension passage in weeks, and I'm getting 85 to 95% of the questions right - as opposed to 50 or 60% (the book explains why this is often the case). Not only that, but if you don't have to read 70 lines of text three or four times on an exam, you easily add 10 minutes of extra time to all the other questions.

Strategies for Sentence correction are strong. They cover all the subjects in excruitating detail. Modifier this, past participle that, parallelism, you name it.

I think their Critical Reasoning strategies are helpful, but not particularly ground shaking. That being said, how do you teach someone to reason critically? They provide a framework and some basic guidelines, but CR is something that just takes practice.

In short, I think the Manhattan books are outstanding.


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Hey there:

I'm currently taking the Manhattan GMAT class and personally, have learned a lot from the content. Although I'm not using many of the diagramming strategies described for doing RC and CR, the guides do have enough other strategies to compensate. The guides have definitely helped me become more confident in approaching the test.

I hear some people complain about the guides but I think it depends on what you put into it. Each chapter ends with 10-15 problems that review the chapter. After you finish that, it gives you 15-50 problems in the OG that directly test the content you learned in the chapter. I think if you do ALL the work, you should be able to refine your skills and improve your GMAT score. Ultimately, it all boils down to how much time you invest in studying.

Good luck - let me know if you have any questions.


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I took it and it was great. If you're in New York, I'd highly recommend Andrew as an instructor. Really invested in helping you acheive your goals.

Before starting the course, my practice tests were in the mid 600's; afterwards, I'm scoring around 750. I have my official test on Monday.


(He got a 760, it was jcgoodchild)

I'm sure others will come in here and post.

I already gave you my two cents on Manhattan vs Kaplan / Princeton

Kaplan Princeton both seem to presume a certain understanding, and focus instead on tips and tricks. This only works if you either already know the material fairly well or can teach yourself the basics. They really don't teach you math, they teach you shortcuts. But if you dont get the fundamentals, the shortcuts wont help.

Manhattan teaches fundamentals. From the ground up.

I would advise you call Manhattan GMAT, ask to speak to Kim. Ask her to explain how it's different from the others. I think you will be convinced.

Maximum class size of 4 I believe.
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class size? [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2006, 19:51
Is the class size really only 4? ..or did you mean 14.?
I am just wondering what was the size of the class
when you attended? Do you think 4 is the right size
for an interactive GMAT learning environment?
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Major Disappointment [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2006, 19:24
I went to Manhattan GMAT about 6 months ago and after arriving at their suite, I was told to have a seat. After waiting for half an hour, someone finally got to me and talked to me about how great their class is, and how personal they are, and how they will definitely be able to boost my score.

I took a 9 week course with them. Before the course, I had tested pretty low and was hoping to raise my score by about 100 points. I did all the homework in the Official Guide and everything. I took my GMAT about a week and a half after finishing the course. I got a 30 point increase from my initial score.

I had emailed a complaint but they had never gotten back to me at all. Even during the course, whenever I had questions, they were really slow to email back. I found them a lot less willing to talk after I had already signed up and paid for the course.

So regarding everything that Rhyme wrote, I'm really suspicious. I mean, they really couldn't bring a lot of what they say on their website and originally promised to me into reality and I feel very cheated out of my money. Either way, I'm sure you're better off saving your money.[/quote]
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2006, 03:52
Call Kim Watkins in NY, explain your dissapointment to her. She'll help.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2006, 05:57
Lets be honest....I personally don't feel like spending lots of money.....testprepny has outrageous prices......and i don't have that kind of $$.....Is Manhatten GMAT really that good as people say? Cuz i don't want to spend money and then have the same feeling as i did with kaplan.....Im serious about studying and can't have another bad experience..........
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to rhyme [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2006, 09:57
You mean the class size in Chicago is 4.. or everywhere.?
Also the nature of your postings would indicate that you work there. Do you work for them or teach for them, is that why you made a posting like a brochure? How do you know so much about them?
What is the deal?
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Manhattan GMAT [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2006, 10:03
Actually, I'd taken a Manhattan GMAT course as well. The class was small but I feel like the material covered wasn't enough. I did do somewhat better after taking the course...40 pt increase, but I didn't do as well as I hoped. I'm looking into other companies as well, such as Veritas, Manhattan Review, and other smaller places. I feel the smaller, the more they're willing to give me what I want. If you find anything, let me know.

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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2006, 12:30
Experiences will almost always differ depending on the location you are at. Different instructors and Different teaching styles make it almost impossible to value a positive testimonial more than the negative.

Please take the time to visit every test prep company you are considering. See the environment for yourself. I mentioned that in the other thread, but the members may consider an online environment such as GMAX Online.
Honesty requires me to tell you that we do have an advertising deal with them, but I wont force this down your throat. Please review the video clips posted on the website and read our review.

if you love the idea of small classroom sizes, you may also consider a private tutor.

I want to emphasize that everyone has different needs. Its our job to reconcile our needs with the offerings of the test prep company.

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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2006, 23:31
Positive Thinker,

I've just completed a glorious (please kindly read 'meaningless' & expensive-for-nothing) Kaplan prep course here, and my experience has been even less gratifying than yours so far I'm sure! To make a long story short, I bombed! Yes indeed, bad pacing killed me about halfway through the verbal section of a real GMAT testing session yesterday (I'm still a bit under shock, to tell you the truth); surprisingly, my maths skills were sharp enough NOT to make me stumble early as expected. Proud and relieved tfor having survived such dreaded portion of the exam, I simply.. lost focus or stamina right before the finish line!!!

Cheap "tricks" à la Kaplan won't ever save the great test taker within in such delicate situations, so I give myself another four-to-six weeks before writting the test again yet this time with more confidence and a better preparation plan: MY OWN!!!

I thus intend to rely entirely now on those three official OG books, some of the aforementioned Manhattan GMAT books, and another one so as to get a few more CATs available in bank (btw, doesn Princeton offer a CD in any of its books this year!?).

GMAT SCORE IN 1993: 650
GMAT SCORE IN 2006, THKS to KAPLAN: NONE! (ran away in tears)
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 [#permalink] New post 01 Jul 2006, 06:23
Mercer,

Princeton review 2007 with DVD is out, and is available in http://www.buy.com (I got it from there). I'm assuming you can order to canada. The book comes with a DVD rom with some material and access to 3 online CATs. Definitely purchase MGMAT, they're pretty good. Atleast I like them.

I wish you well in your next round!

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Positive Thinker,

I've just completed a glorious (please kindly read 'meaningless' & expensive-for-nothing) Kaplan prep course here, and my experience has been even less gratifying than yours so far I'm sure! To make a long story short, I bombed! Yes indeed, bad pacing killed me about halfway through the verbal section of a real GMAT testing session yesterday (I'm still a bit under shock, to tell you the truth); surprisingly, my maths skills were sharp enough NOT to make me stumble early as expected. Proud and relieved tfor having survived such dreaded portion of the exam, I simply.. lost focus or stamina right before the finish line!!!

Cheap "tricks" à la Kaplan won't ever save the great test taker within in such delicate situations, so I give myself another four-to-six weeks before writting the test again yet this time with more confidence and a better preparation plan: MY OWN!!!

I thus intend to rely entirely now on those three official OG books, some of the aforementioned Manhattan GMAT books, and another one so as to get a few more CATs available in bank (btw, doesn Princeton offer a CD in any of its books this year!?).

GMAT SCORE IN 1993: 650
GMAT SCORE IN 2006, THKS to KAPLAN: NONE! (ran away in tears)

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