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18 Jun 2010, 10:26
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nice explanation guys .. thanks ..
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Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year. Hi everyone ....... Thanks a lot for such a detailed explanation!! There is just one thing that is still bugging me:- In option A ----- "Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were" last year,

shouldn't there be "paying" AGAIN after "were" to make it as:
Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were paying last year. How can we hide "paying" ? Is this also ellipses ?? If so, kindly explain as i have NOT understood this well !! Thanks so much _________________ .... ........ ............ Intern Joined: 02 Jul 2010 Posts: 27 Schools: Harvard (R2-applied), MIT (R2-applied) WE 1: Military WE 2: Social Entrepreneur Followers: 3 Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 3 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 11 Jul 2010, 03:36 SaraiGMAXonline wrote: Hi tgtharvard, Yes, this is ellipses. Since "paying" already appears in the sentence, there is no need to repeat it after the word "were". Best, Sarai Dear Sarai .... Thanks for clarifying that ..... !! And now that it is indeed an ellipses, please bear with me as i have another doubt that comes to light if option A is correct. Please help me with this one as well !!! ....... Sorry for the trouble!!!! :- In the last part of this sentence: Quote: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

Who does THEY refer to ????

Isn't it a case of unclear antecedent reference as "they" could refer to both "Heating-Oil prices" as well as "Refiners" ???

I know that the use of "were" makes it refer to "prices" but if we had used "did" instead of "were" it could as easily have referred to "refiners". In any case, the use of "were" or "did" doesnt stop "they from being called "an ambigios referrent", does it ?!?!
I hope i have made my doubt clear and not confused you all further !!

And if that is NOT the case, then could u please explain as to where am I faulting in my logic !!!!

Thanks a ton ...

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11 Jul 2010, 03:55
Thank You for a gr8 & also a very prompt reply.

Will keep this thing in mind. .......

Thanks a lot ......

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20 Jul 2010, 05:14
Hi, Sarai! thanks for the nice explanation first, helps a lot.

but I still have a question concerning A...

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A. Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were What is compared here are the times-- "this year" and "last" (meaning "last year"-- this is an ellipses). OA says that "the sentense connects a comparison between this year's and last year’s heating-oil prices", not the time frame... i'm so confused, hope you can shed some light on this issue. thank you in advance:) Intern Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 7 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 27 Apr 2011, 07:41 kindly post OA along with the questions Senior Manager Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 359 Followers: 15 Kudos [?]: 51 [0], given: 17 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 20 Aug 2011, 06:51 Why "they were" is correct in A? Why not they did? In-fact, should we be repeating the entire verb when we change the tense - Re: MGMAT SC? Intern Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 2 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 23 Aug 2011, 12:09 KimiHana wrote: KimiHana wrote: Hi, Sarai! thanks for the nice explanation first, helps a lot. but I still have a question concerning A... SaraiGMAXonline wrote: A. Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
What is compared here are the times-- "this year" and "last" (meaning "last year"-- this is an ellipses).

OA says that "the sentense connects a comparison between this year's and last year’s heating-oil prices", not the time frame...

i'm so confused, hope you can shed some light on this issue.
thank you in advance:)

Can anybody explain this one?

Yes the OG mentions 'the possessive last year's does not parallel the adverbial phrase this year' as one of the reasons for 'E' being wrong.

We are comparing last year's heating-oil prices to this year's heating-oil prices! And option 'E' clearly creates a parallel between the prices. I don't understand what is OG's point.

Thanks a lot in advance!!
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24 Aug 2011, 17:53
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papillon86 wrote:
Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year. (A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did (C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were (E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

You've done a good job guys! Let me see if I can help you out with some of the confusion regarding comparisons and ellipses:

A. Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were What is compared here are the times-- "this year" and "last" (meaning "last year"-- this is an ellipses). When comparing time or place, you have two options for structuring the comparison: 1. Joe studies more at night that he does during the day. (The sentence compares Joe to himself.) 2. Joe studies more at night than during the day. (The sentence compares "at night" to "during the day.") B. Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

Important Note!! The comparative structure requires that you use "than" after the "--er".

Correct: Tom is older than Bob.
Incorrect: Tom is older compared to/in comparison with/over Bob

You must use "than" after you've used a word ending with --er.

C. Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did You can stop reading as soon as you get to "for heating-oil prices" because that is not a correct description of the the expectations. The expectations are not for prices, but rather that prices will.... Important Note: Do not change a relative clause into a mere prepositional phrase!! Ex. "I think that chickens fly" (relative clause: that+subject+verb) IS NOT EQUIVALENT TO "I think of chickens flying" (prepositional phrase: of chickens) D. It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were

Same problem as B.

E. It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did "prices will rise higher this year than last year's" uses ellipses that hide the logic problem. Complete everything that was left out, and the resulting sentence is: "prices will rise higher this year than last year's prices rose. This is not intended meaning of the sentence. Second, the word "more" is not correctly placed. Correct: I paid 5 dollars more for my sandwich today than I did yesterday. Incorrect: I paid 5 dollars for my sandwich more than I did yesterday. "More" describes$5 and must therefore be placed next to $5. These are great points! Although I did not analyze this sentence so thoroughly, I came to A since the more was oddly placed in most sentences I would have considered$5 a barrel more for crude oil Vs. $5 a barrel for crude oil more After narrowing those down, then I started comparing the options. Manager Status: struggling with GMAT Joined: 06 Dec 2012 Posts: 225 Location: Bangladesh Concentration: Accounting GMAT Date: 04-06-2013 GPA: 3.65 Followers: 14 Kudos [?]: 344 [0], given: 46 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 05 Apr 2013, 01:43 SaraiGMAXonline wrote: papillon86 wrote: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were (B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did (D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did You've done a good job guys! Let me see if I can help you out with some of the confusion regarding comparisons and ellipses: A. Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
What is compared here are the times-- "this year" and "last" (meaning "last year"-- this is an ellipses).

When comparing time or place, you have two options for structuring the comparison:

1. Joe studies more at night that he does during the day. (The sentence compares Joe to himself.)

2. Joe studies more at night than during the day. (The sentence compares "at night" to "during the day.")

B. Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did Important Note!! The comparative structure requires that you use "than" after the "--er". Correct: Tom is older than Bob. Incorrect: Tom is older compared to/in comparison with/over Bob You must use "than" after you've used a word ending with --er. C. Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

You can stop reading as soon as you get to "for heating-oil prices" because that is not a correct description of the the expectations. The expectations are not for prices, but rather that prices will....

Important Note: Do not change a relative clause into a mere prepositional phrase!!

Ex. "I think that chickens fly" (relative clause: that+subject+verb) IS NOT EQUIVALENT TO "I think of chickens flying" (prepositional phrase: of chickens)

D. It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were Same problem as B. E. It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

"prices will rise higher this year than last year's" uses ellipses that hide the logic problem. Complete everything that was left out, and the resulting sentence is: "prices will rise higher this year than last year's prices rose. This is not intended meaning of the sentence.

Second, the word "more" is not correctly placed.

Correct: I paid 5 dollars more for my sandwich today than I did yesterday.

Incorrect: I paid 5 dollars for my sandwich more than I did yesterday.

"More" describes $5 and must therefore be placed next to$5.

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27 Jul 2013, 11:35
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HEATING OIL PRICES ARE EXPECTED TO BE HIGHER THIS YEAR THAN LAST
Now the comparison focus shifts from Price to Time frame (this year versus last)

Ok, I understand this concept, but where I got stuck was the construction of option A

"Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last" now I can follow last with 2 things, Last Year
or last year's Prices

If I choose the 1st option, I think It can very well become prices of oil last yr compared to this Yr

Can someone explain me why its not the case here?
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29 Jul 2013, 03:34
E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did the main problem with "last year's " is that this year in the previous phrase is an adverbial while "last year" in " last year's" is used as noun. there is no parallelism and the comparision is wrong. we do not need "of" in the previous clause to use " 's " in the latter clause but we need a parallelism. Hope I am correct. _________________ If anyone in this gmat forum is in England,Britain, pls, email to me, (thanghnvn@gmail.com) . I have some questions and need your advise. Thank a lot. Intern Status: Onward and upward! Joined: 09 Apr 2013 Posts: 18 Location: United States GMAT 1: Q V Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 14 [0], given: 72 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 25 Sep 2013, 08:21 I almost picked E but at the last minute realized that 'It' is ambiguous- and that A was correct. IMO Parallelism, ambiguity and proper tense are all being tested on this one! _________________ Kudos if my post was helpful! Current Student Joined: 06 Sep 2013 Posts: 2035 Concentration: Finance GMAT 1: 770 Q0 V Followers: 62 Kudos [?]: 593 [0], given: 355 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 07 Oct 2013, 13:38 papillon86 wrote: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were (8) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did (d) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did There's a typo in the original question. Please correct. With regard to the question, the answer is straight A. "Price are expected to be higher than last because refiners are paying more for oil than they were last year." Don't fall for the redundancy trap - Rise higher is totally wrong Perfect! Intern Joined: 03 Feb 2011 Posts: 21 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 16 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 23 Oct 2013, 05:04 I would like to add the scenarios for 'over' usage : a) increased 10% over the past year b) five per cent increase over the previous year c) sales are up by 7.3 per cent over the same time last year Manager Joined: 12 Jan 2013 Posts: 244 Followers: 4 Kudos [?]: 69 [0], given: 47 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 04 Jan 2014, 09:47 papillon86 wrote: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were (8) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did (d) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did When we have these types of SC questions, where the underline portion consists of > 90% of the text, we need to be pretty methodical, CAREFUL and really, really, really understand the intended meaning. In this case, the fact that "last year" is not underline helps us in picking the right choice. So: focus on options that end in words that correctly "flow" into the words last year. A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher... because refiners... are paying more.... THAN they were... [last year]. Than they were flows nicely into last year, and "they" correctly refers to refiners. Also, there's no ambiguity and words are not positioned in wrong places. So far so good, let's check the other options. B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher.. STOP. Rise higher? What? That implies some force will elevate prices so they physically rise above their current position. Obviously, this makes no sense.. Even if we ignore rise higher, "5 dollars a barrel for crude oil more" is wrong. More should come after 5 dollars otherwise more incorrectly refers to crude oil and not dollars. So, the errors here are grammatical. Notice that "they did" nicely flows into "last year" because they did refers to refiners.. Still, B is wrong for the grammatical errors. C) "Expectations are for" seems like a perfect trap for certain non-native test-takers, but people that have had extensive exposure to american english know this sounds all types of wrong. Expectations are "for" nothing at all, frankly.. Something(s) is/are EXPECTED, or something is expected OF someone else, but not "for". Also, Im not sure but I believe "this year's" refers to expectations and not prices (it doesn't matter though, the option has so many other errors). And again, we have an error with "more" at the end of the sentence. D) Again with the weird use of expectation.. "It is the expectation that" refers to who? Who expects? this option implies some sort of universal, objective expectation. Also "will rise higher" again implies prices will be elevated past their current, more down-to-earth position. That's clearly not the author's intent. E) this is the best "wrong" answer, but it's still riddled with wrong elements. "rise higher" is wrong, "5 dollars for oil more" is wrong, and Im not sure (but it's just a minor issue) that "year's" is used correctly either. Anyway.. A is clearly right because it is not riddled with the grammatical/meaning errors that the other options are. Manager Status: Work hard in silence, let success make the noise Joined: 25 Nov 2013 Posts: 161 Location: India Concentration: Finance, General Management GMAT 1: 540 Q50 V15 GMAT 2: 640 Q50 V27 GPA: 3.11 WE: Consulting (Computer Software) Followers: 7 Kudos [?]: 67 [0], given: 84 Re: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than [#permalink] Show Tags 08 Jan 2014, 07:31 papillon86 wrote: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher th is year than last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were (8) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did (d) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about$5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about \$5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

A - Correct
B - Incorrect because rise and higher are redundant. Use one or the other.
C - Incorrect because "expectations are for" is wrong idiom.
D - Incorrect because "It is the expectation that" seems wordy.
E - Incorrect because rise and higher are redundant. Use one or the other.
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Despite going through the whole thread, i'm stuck on one specific point about option E. I can see why E is wrong because of the usage of "more than" but I picked E because of "heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's..."

I felt that "year's" had to be a possessive because we are saying that " oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's oil prices" and we are NOT saying that "prices will higher than last year" because that would mean that we are comparing prices to year which is illogical.

Can someone please explain why my analysis is incorrect?
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