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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are (misplaced modifier)
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although ( misplaced modifier)
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are (misplaced modifier)
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although ( i have not studied clauses in detail yet, but a semicolon implies an independent clause is beginning)
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are



still if some expert clarifies the usage of 'although' in detail , it would be very helpful
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I believe its E- Because of ONLY...BUT idiom
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I picked E but it took me a full 2 minutes.
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E is the best choice! Got that in 1min, though!
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E uses parallel verb clauses. So the answer is E

There is no use of 'although' when you're just saying that 'they are green and striped, although more flavorful'. The comparison is not properly maintained here.

Going by general understanding, we say the ripe tomatoes are always flavorful and the green ones aren't :) :). That's why the use of 'but they are' aptly suits the context. 'They are green, but are more flavorful' makes sense.

So I picked E
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E is better than D, maybe because 'have' is more idiomatic than 'with bumps...'. I agree that there is no problem with 'although'
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New post 07 Mar 2012, 06:55
Grumpy explained it best for me. Hesitating between D and E and E seemed like the best choice.
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

Please explain your answer.


Can we see D as follows:
cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although

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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

Please explain your answer.


It is clear from the question stem that the sentence from "often green and striped..." is used for the main subject of the sentence which is "Heirloom tomatoes". Use of above sentence directly after comma makes it as misplaced modifier. To overcome this, there are two choices-
1. Complete first sentence and begin another with subject as "Heirloom tomatoes"
2. break the sentence with ";" and begin with preposition.

Answer E perfectly fits into this.

D has been excluded since the sentence "or with plenty of bumps and bruises" demands further closing sentence to fulfil conditional explanation started at "with".
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cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

When we use pronoun after semicolon , then it refers to the subject in the sentence preceding the semicolon. So here , they is not ambiguous.
Conjunction 'or' has successfully linked two clauses. They before 'or' is used in both the clauses connected by 'or'.
"But they are" : In this 'but' is correctly joining two sentences . "They are ...to bruises" and "they are more flavourful".
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are




Here we have a comparsion between the Heirloom tomatoes which is saved from the previous year and the supermarket Tomatoes often green and striped or have plenty of bumps and bruises but they are more flavorful

clearly the supermarket tomatoes are more flavorful

lets break the sentence into individual clauses

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and
red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises,
but are more flavorful.

Here the subject is Heirloom tomatoes
verb is look less appetizing
saved from the previous year is clearly modifying the closest noun Heirloom Tomatoes
The error in the below sentence is parallelism error and there is no subject after but


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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are --- it is given that cousins are round and red -- how can they be green and striped also --- hence wrong ---- WRONG MEANING
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although --- same as A
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are ---- SAME AS ABOVE
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although--HERE GREEN AND STRIPPED REFER TO HEIRLOOM TAMAMOES BUT SENTENCE NOT PARALLEL
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are -- SAME AS d BUT SENTENCE IS PARALLEL AND HENCE CORRECT
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icandy wrote:
Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are.

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Hi Mike,
I would like to have your inputs on the question. I prefer option E) to A) but I am not sure. Can you please explain once.
Thanks, Kinjal

Dear Kinjal,
I am happy to respond. :-) This questions is quite curious, because it's almost identical in topic to OG13, SC #132, and uses many of the same phrases, though in a different order. I would think that GMAC might be a position to sue a company for having a question so blatantly similar to its own. That does give me a bit of concern about the question and its authors.

In (A) - (C), among other problems, there's modifier ambiguity. We know logically that "often green and striped" should apply to heirloom tomatoes, but it touches "their round and red supermarket cousins." That's less than ideal.

Also, in (A), if we remove the modifying detail, the logic is wonky: "Heirloom tomatoes ... only look less appetizing ... or have plenty of bumps and bruises" ??? Why is that a choice, to "look less appetizing" vs. "to have bumps and bruises"? Joining these two verbs with "or" makes no sense. That's why (A) is definitively wrong.

The semicolon divide is a very clean, clear way to delineate the logic of the sentence. The parallelism removes any ambiguity about the pronoun: the pronoun "they" is subject of the second clause, so it is obviously in parallel to the subject of the first clause, and that first subject, "Heirloom tomatoes," is the antecedent. This is why (E) is the best answer.

Does all this make sense?
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I am happy to respond. :-) This questions is quite curious, because it's almost identical in topic to OG13, SC #132, and uses many of the same phrases, though in a different order. I would think that GMAC might be a position to sue a company for having a question so blatantly similar to its own. That does give me a bit of concern about the question and its authors.

In (A) - (C), among other problems, there's modifier ambiguity. We know logically that "often green and striped" should apply to heirloom tomatoes, but it touches "their round and red supermarket cousins." That's less than ideal.

Also, in (A), if we remove the modifying detail, the logic is wonky: "Heirloom tomatoes ... only look less appetizing ... or have plenty of bumps and bruises" ??? Why is that a choice, to "look less appetizing" vs. "to have bumps and bruises"? Joining these two verbs with "or" makes no sense. That's why (A) is definitively wrong.

The semicolon divide is a very clean, clear way to delineate the logic of the sentence. The parallelism removes any ambiguity about the pronoun: the pronoun "they" is subject of the second clause, so it is obviously in parallel to the subject of the first clause, and that first subject, "Heirloom tomatoes," is the antecedent. This is why (E) is the best answer.

Does all this make sense?
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Hi Mike,
In the first clause of this sentence, "their" was used to refer to "Heirloom tomatoes". is that the reason why "they" in the latter clause ambiguity-free?
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In the first clause of this sentence, "their" was used to refer to "Heirloom tomatoes". is that the reason why "they" in the latter clause ambiguity-free?

Dear oldest,
I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, many factors contribute to establishing the relationship of a pronoun to its antecedent. Here's the OA, version (E):
Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are more flavorful.
What contributes to our understanding that the highlighted pronoun "they" refers back to "heirloom tomatoes"?
1) As you suggest, just a single pronoun is used, with consistent antecedent, throughout the sentence
2) Parallelism. When we have two independent clauses in parallel, and a pronoun is the subject of the second, the parallelism strongly suggests that the subject of the first should be the antecedent.
3) Rhetoric. Think about it: what is the subject and focus of the entire sentence? Of course, "heirloom tomatoes." The fact that the entire sentence focuses on this single topic strongly suggests that any pronoun would be referring back to this focus.
In this well-crafted sentence, all three of these elements work in concert to reinforce one another. This makes 100% clear the antecedent of the pronoun.

Do not take the pronoun-antecedent relationship for granted. There are always many different elements of the sentence, at many different levels, contributing this relationship.

Does all this make sense?
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wow, thank you very much, Mike.
Your answer is more than I even expected.
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Hi expert,
In my 2 cents,option D could be a good contender of this question.
Option A,B,and C are gone as "often green and stripe" wrongly modifies cousins.
"they" in option E is not ambiguous;"they",as the subject" all refer to Heirloom tomatoes.
However,I find it difficult to eliminate option D.

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins; they are often green and striped, or (they are)with plenty of bumps and bruises, although more flavorful.
or it is only acceptable only the 2nd independent clause reads ", although more flavorful,they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises.

Please shed some light on this
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In my 2 cents,option D could be a good contender of this question.
Option A,B,and C are gone as "often green and stripe" wrongly modifies cousins.
"they" in option E is not ambiguous;"they",as the subject" all refer to Heirloom tomatoes.
However,I find it difficult to eliminate option D.

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins; they are often green and striped, or (they are)with plenty of bumps and bruises, although more flavorful.
or it is only acceptable only the 2nd independent clause reads ", although more flavorful,they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises.

Please shed some light on this
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"Although" ideally introduces a clause. However there are official questions, in which the phrase "Although+ adjective" is constructed to be used as a modifier - in such case the modifier should touch the noun it modifies. Here "although more flavorful" should touch "they".
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