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The author is primarily concerned with
(A) refuting a proposed thesis about eighteenth-century America
(B) analyzing a long-established interpretation of American history
(C) criticizing a set of deeply held beliefs about early American ideology
(D) reconciling opposing interpretations of eighteenth-century American ideology
(E) defending a novel reading of the ideology of eighteenth-century America

Request experts to explain how the OA is A...and why not other options such as B or D
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Good read. All except Q5 correct. I can't figure out how C is the answer and B is not. GMATNinja any comments? and also..do you think it's an original GMAT paper test question? If possible, please also suggest where can GMAT paper test questions can be found

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5. The passage suggests that, if classical republicanism had been the ideology of eighteenth-century America, which of the following would have resulted?
(A) People would have been motivated to open small businesses and expand commercial activity.
(B) Citizens and politicians would not have been encouraged to agitate for increased individual rights.
(C) People would have been convinced that by pursuing their own interests they were contributing to the good of the group.
(D) The political and social privileges enjoyed by the landed gentry would have been destroyed.
(E) A mood of optimism among people over individual profits and prosperity would have been created.

I agree that choice (B) seems defensible. If somebody has access to the source, please verify the OA.

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GMATNinja please help in explaining Questions 4 and 5.

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4. The author mentions which of the following as a fact that weakens Pocock’s argument about the ideology of eighteenth-century America?
(A) Jefferson’s obsession with virtue and corruption and his fear of commercial development
(B) The precapitalist mentality that was pervasive among farmers in early America
(C) The political decline of artisans and shopkeepers in eighteenth-century America
(D) The colonists’ lack of commitment to support the general welfare of the British Empire
(E) The existence of political privilege in early American society

Try this one again after reviewing this portion of the passage: "Yet Pocock’s thesis and the reinterpretation of the history of eighteenth-century America engendered by it are of dubious validity. If Americans did believe in the ideals of classical virtue that stressed civic duty and made the whole community greater than its discrete parts, then why did the colonists lack a sense of obligation to support the greater good of the British Empire? If indeed America has not always been the society of individual rights and self-interest that it is today, how and when did it be come so?"

As for question 5, refer to my earlier post: https://gmatclub.com/forum/historians-h ... l#p1959924
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Tough question. Would be good to clarify the source.

Passage map:
p1: To state a reinterpretation of a long standing belief
P2: To argue that this reinterpretation is not representative of how the US was created
The author is initially quite descriptive, then questions a lot of the arguments given by the authors in question

2 incorrect, sat this untimed

I'm just writing out my analysis for the 2 questions i got wrong.

Question 1
A - I didn't select A, incorrectly I marked it as a Contender, as I didn't really understand how things tied together. But now I see that A is correct. Initially the author states that's Pocock's argument: that he believes the US was "rooted" in "classical republicanism" - M's writings. The author, in the second passage, then argues against Pocock's thesis (that US was uprooted...) stating that it is of "dubious" validity. The author then states what the US is founded upon: "optimism..." (last sentence).
Thus the main idea is encapsulated in A
B is incorrect because this is just not supported. The passage is based on the virtues the US was founded upon
C -- i stupidly selected this as I didn't fully understand the argument. It's incorrect as the argument isn't really concerned with this, it's states pocock's belief then argues against it.
D - is incorrect as this is more the author's view, not pocock's.
E - No- jeferson is briefly mentioned to present how jeferson is reinterpreted in light of P's notion

Question 2
This relies on you understanding of this portion of the passage:
Pocock argues that out of the writings of antiquity Machiavelli created a body of political thinking called “classical republicanism.” This body of thought revived the ancient belief that a human being was by nature a citizen who achieved moral fulfillment by participating in a self-governing republic. Liberty was interpreted as a condition that is realized when people are virtuous and are willing to sacrifice their individual interests for the sake of the community.


Initially, my view of what Pocock is says was murky - i thought the opposite of what he actually intends. "Self-governing republic" is what led me there.
A is incorrect because it is more an example of self-interest
B is incorrect as its not apparent what "self-interest" is being sacrificed
C is incorrect because the individual is forcefully helping the community
D is incorrect for similar reasons to B
E is correct because it shows how one sacrifices self interest for the sake of the community, as defined in the text I captured above.
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Can some one help me with que 7. I am unable to identify the location in passage
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Can some one help me with que 7. I am unable to identify the location in passage


" Liberty was interpreted as a condition that is realized when people are virtuous and are willing to sacrifice their individual interests for the sake of the community. To be completely virtuous, people had to be independent and free of the petty interests of the marketplace. The greatest enemy of virtue was commerce."
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Can anyone please explain as to why is answer to question 6 is option A?
I think it should be option D.
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Can anyone please explain as to why is answer to question 6 is option A?
I think it should be option D.


In the second paragraph, it is mentioned: "If indeed America has not always been the society of individual rights and self-interest that it is today, how and when did it become so?"

D says the opposite. The Colonists did not support the greater good of the British Empire. This implies that the colonists were not reluctant to place their individual interests above those of Great Britain.
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Can anyone please explain question 7?
Thanks in advance :)

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Hi GMATNinjaTwo

In question 6 options A and D both represent the thought of the author as to why Pocock's theory was not plausible enough.

If Americans did believe in the ideals of classical virtue that stressed civic duty and made the whole community greater than its discrete parts, then why did the colonists lack a sense of obligation to support the greater good of the British Empire? If indeed America has not always been the society of individual rights and self-interest that it is today, how and when did it be come so?

How is A correct ?
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Hi GMATNinjaTwo

In question 6 options A and D both represent the thought of the author as to why Pocock's theory was not plausible enough.

If Americans did believe in the ideals of classical virtue that stressed civic duty and made the whole community greater than its discrete parts, then why did the colonists lack a sense of obligation to support the greater good of the British Empire? If indeed America has not always been the society of individual rights and self-interest that it is today, how and when did it be come so?

How is A correct ?

Both (A) and (D) relate to information in the passage, but as usual, the exact language of each option has a significant impact on the meaning of the answer choice.

Take another look at (D):
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(D) Why many colonists who embraced classical republicanism were reluctant to place their individual interests above those of Great Britain

Remember, classical republicans regarded those who "are willing to sacrifice their individual interests for the sake of the community" as virtuous. Would these people be reluctant to place their individual interests above those of Great Britain? Not if they were truly classical republicans!

The author actually demands the answer to the opposite question in the passage: "If Americans did believe in the ideals of classical virtue that stressed civic duty and made the whole community greater than its discrete parts, then why did the colonists lack a sense of obligation to support the greater good of the British Empire?" In other words, why were these colonists not concerned about ditching their classical republican ideals and failing to support Great Britain?

Because the supposedly classical republican colonists were not reluctant to place their individual interests above those of Great Britain, the answer to (D) would not make Pocock's argument more plausible. For this reason, (D) is out.

Compare that with (A):
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(A) How a society that was once committed to the ideals of classical virtue could be transformed into a society of individual rights and self-interest

In the passage, the author asks "If indeed America has not always been the society of individual rights and self-interest that it is today, how and when did it become so?"

This aligns closely with the language of (A) -- both ask Pocock to explain the America's transformation to a self-interested society if indeed it was a classically republican society in the 18th century. (A) is the correct answer.

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Thanks in advance :)

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The best way to go about question #7 is to examine the question and then use POE on the answer choices.

To answer the question, we are looking for something that Pocock's theory suggests about 18th century Americans. Pocock believed that American society at this time was shaped by classical republicanism -- so, what would these classically republican Americans believe about increasing commercial activity? Would it:

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(A) force the landed gentry to relinquish their vast holdings

There is no support in the passage for this answer choice. "Landed gentry" are mentioned near the end of the passage, but nowhere does the author imply that classical republicans believed that increasing commercial activity would somehow force the gentry to give up their land. (A) is out.

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(B) enrich the nation and increase individual rights

Classical republicans saw commerce as "the greatest enemy of virtue." So, commerce is not seen in a positive light at all, and increasing commercial activity was not seen as a way to "enrich the nation." (B) is out.

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(C) cause some people to forfeit their liberty and virtue

Here is what the passage says about liberty, virtue, and commerce in the eyes of classical republicans:
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Liberty was interpreted as a condition that is realized when people are virtuous and are willing to sacrifice their individual interests for the sake of the community. To be completely virtuous, people had to be independent and free of the petty interests of the marketplace. The greatest enemy of virtue was commerce.

So, what would happen with increasing commercial activity?
  • "The greatest enemy of virtue was commerce," so increasing commercial activity would make it more difficult to be virtuous.
  • "Liberty... is realized when people are virtuous," so if it is more difficult to be virtuous, then it is less likely that people would have liberty.

In all, classical republicans believed that increasing commercial activity would decrease the number of people who were virtuous and therefore had liberty. Let's keep (C) for now.

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(D) create a mood of optimism about national prosperity

Nope. Classical republicans did not support increasing commercial activity, and optimism about national prosperity is mentioned in the last sentence of the passage to describe how Americans were actually not classical republicans. (D) is out.

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(E) strengthen the political appeal of middle-class radicals

The passage does not imply that classical republicans connected increasing commercial activity with a strengthened appeal of middle class radicals.

(E) is out, and (C) is our answer.

I hope that helps!
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Plz explain Q5. Why not B and how could it be c?

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Hello jawediqbal94

I may help you with this; I took 3 minutes to answer this question, and got it right.

I followed Process of elimination

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5. The passage suggests that, if classical republicanism had been the ideology of eighteenth-century America, which of the following would have resulted?


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(A) People would have been motivated to open small businesses and expand commercial activity.


This can be easily eliminated because it is out of scope, not at all mentioned in the passage.

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(B) Citizens and politicians would not have been encouraged to agitate for increased individual rights.


If you have understood second paragraph of the passage, then you would know that middle class have not accepted this ideals so rather they might encouraged to agitate for the increased individual rights. Wrong Eliminate.

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(C) People would have been convinced that by pursuing their own interests they were contributing to the good of the group.


Excerpt from first paragraph wrote:
Pocock’s argument is right, then Americans may not be as deeply individualistic and capitalistic as many believe. Pocock argues that out of the writings of antiquity Machiavelli created a body of political thinking called “classical republicanism.” This body of thought revived the ancient belief that a human being was by nature a citizen who achieved moral fulfillment by participating in a self-governing republic.


Correct. People achieved moral fulfillment.... So this can not be eliminated

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(D) The political and social privileges enjoyed by the landed gentry would have been destroyed.


No 180° Opposite answer eliminated

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(E) A mood of optimism among people over individual profits and prosperity would have been created.


It could have been created among middle class but not among all. Wrong eliminate.
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what is the difficulty level of this rc ?


Good question!
According to GMATclub it is 600-700 level, but I feel it is 700 level according to GMAT.

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what is the difficulty level of this rc ?


Question #1: 650
Question #2: 650
Question #3: 600
Question #4: 600
Question #5: 750
Question #6: 650
Question #7: 650
Question #8: 650

Overall: 650
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nityakaul02 wrote:
what is the difficulty level of this rc ?


Question #1: 650
Question #2: 650
Question #3: 600
Question #4: 600
Question #5: 750
Question #6: 650
Question #7: 650
Question #8: 650

Overall: 650


If you have the official explanation for Q5. please could you post it
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