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Sorry for posting this, it may sound silly to someone, but I have problem understanding the question:

How many integers n are there such that r < n < s?
(1) s - r = 5
(2) r and s are not integers.

My solution: For (1), whether r and s are integer or not, there can be so many "groups" of 4 or 5 n that fit the conditions.
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So (1) not enough
and (2) not enough, apparently
(1) and (2) not enough, according to my "reasoning" above.

So I chose E
Please comment, thanks
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Re: Wording [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2010, 06:18
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Sorry for posting this, it may sound silly to someone, but I have problem understanding the question:

How many integers n are there such that r < n < s?
(1) s - r = 5
(2) r and s are not integers.

My solution: For (1), whether r and s are integer or not, there can be so many "groups" of 4 or 5 n that fit the conditions.

So (1) not enough
and (2) not enough, apparently
(1) and (2) not enough, according to my "reasoning" above.

So I chose E
Please comment, thanks


The question is: how many integers \(n\) satisfy \(r < n < s\), or how many integers are between \(r\) and \(s\), not inclusive?

Note that if \(r\) and \(s\) are integers, for example \(s=5\) and \(r=0\) then there will be 4 integers between them: 1, 2, 3, and 4. But if \(r\) and \(s\) are NOT integers for example \(s=5.5\) and \(r=0.5\) then there will be 5, so one more, integers between them: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Answer C is correct.
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Re: Wording [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2010, 08:42
The "number" of n can be multiple of 4 or 5, says 8 or 10, 12, 15, ... can not be determined...
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The "number" of n can be multiple of 4 or 5, says 8 or 10, 12, 15, ... can not be determined...


It seems that you misinterpreted the question.

Question ask about the number of integers between r and s, not inclusive.

For example: how many integers are between 10 and 15, not inclusive? Answer: 4, namely 11, 12, 13, and 14.
Or: how many integers are between 5.3 and 10.3? Answer: 5, namely 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.

So taken together statements are sufficient to answer that there are 5 integers between r and s.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: Wording [#permalink] New post 01 Nov 2010, 00:34
this is one of the trickiest questions I have ever seen so far - in test conditions - time and pressure, I am not going to consider C as an option EVER, since there are 5 values for n ... but it is actually that 5 is what the question is looking for ... tough one
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How many integers n are there such that r < n< s ?

The question asks: how many integers \(n\) satisfy \(r < n < s\), or how many integers are between \(r\) and \(s\), not inclusive?

Notice that if \(r\) and \(s\) are integers, for example \(s=5\) and \(r=0\) then there will be 4 integers between them: 1, 2, 3, and 4. But if \(r\) and \(s\) are NOT integers for example \(s=5.5\) and \(r=0.5\) then there will be 5, so one more, integers between them: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

(1) s - r = 5. Not sufficient.
(2) r and s are not integers. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) According to above reasoning since r and s are not integers then there are 5 integers between them (case 2). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

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Re: How many integers n are there such that r < n< s ? [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2012, 13:00
Thanks for putting this together. I received a 29 on my last math section of the GMAT. Any suggestions for improvement since I take it again on May 31st? Why did you choose that picture? I like it and have not seen anything similar to it.
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Re: How many integers n are there such that r < n< 5 ? [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2012, 13:09
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How many integers n are there such that r < n< s ?

The question asks: how many integers \(n\) satisfy \(r < n < s\), or how many integers are between \(r\) and \(s\), not inclusive?

Notice that if \(r\) and \(s\) are integers, for example \(s=5\) and \(r=0\) then there will be 4 integers between them: 1, 2, 3, and 4. But if \(r\) and \(s\) are NOT integers for example \(s=5.5\) and \(r=0.5\) then there will be 5, so one more, integers between them: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

(1) s - r = 5. Not sufficient.
(2) r and s are not integers. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) According to above reasoning since r and s are not integers then there are 5 integers between them (case 2). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.


can you please eleborate the concept behind this ?? indeed is true but I didn't notice this before.

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Re: How many integers n are there such that r < n< 5 ? [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2012, 13:15
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How many integers n are there such that r < n< s ?

The question asks: how many integers \(n\) satisfy \(r < n < s\), or how many integers are between \(r\) and \(s\), not inclusive?

Notice that if \(r\) and \(s\) are integers, for example \(s=5\) and \(r=0\) then there will be 4 integers between them: 1, 2, 3, and 4. But if \(r\) and \(s\) are NOT integers for example \(s=5.5\) and \(r=0.5\) then there will be 5, so one more, integers between them: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

(1) s - r = 5. Not sufficient.
(2) r and s are not integers. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) According to above reasoning since r and s are not integers then there are 5 integers between them (case 2). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.


can you please eleborate the concept behind this ?? indeed is true but I didn't notice this before.

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There isn't some special concept behind it. It's just common sense based on observation.
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Re: How many integers n are there such that r < n < s? [#permalink] New post 30 Dec 2012, 18:50
hmm... I chose E with the reasoning that the question does not mention that the integers are consecutive. There could be duplicate integers between r and s such that r=0 and s=5 and values of n to be 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4.
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Re: How many integers n are there such that r < n < s? [#permalink] New post 31 Dec 2012, 02:22
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hmm... I chose E with the reasoning that the question does not mention that the integers are consecutive. There could be duplicate integers between r and s such that r=0 and s=5 and values of n to be 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4.



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Re: How many integers n are there such that r < n < s? [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2013, 19:35
I had and still continue to have trouble interpreting this question.

how many integers n are there such that r<n<s
r and s are 0 or 5 -> n can be 1,2,3,4
r and s are 110 or 115-> n can be another set of 4 no.s

i thought n can have any number of infinite values for r-s=5 or for r and s are not integers.....can some one pls make it clear...

i understand some of the explanations are towards n=no. of integers between two given values, but question ask how many integers n are there that meet the criteria...
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I had and still continue to have trouble interpreting this question.

how many integers n are there such that r<n<s
r and s are 0 or 5 -> n can be 1,2,3,4
r and s are 110 or 115-> n can be another set of 4 no.s

i thought n can have any number of infinite values for r-s=5 or for r and s are not integers.....can some one pls make it clear...

i understand some of the explanations are towards n=no. of integers between two given values, but question ask how many integers n are there that meet the criteria...


How many integers n are there such that 0 < n < 5? Answer: 4.
How many integers n are there such that 110 < n < 115? Answer: 4.

Does this make sense?
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Re: How many integers n are there such that r < n< s ? [#permalink] New post 18 May 2014, 09:46
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if we knew about s and r (integers or not integers) our task would be simplified to st(1) Suff. Since we know nothing about s and r, there could be always four integers (case when s and r are integers) or five integers (when s or r is not integer)

st(2) helps with assigning type for our numbers (s and r), but we know nothing about values

combined st(1&2) supports our previously inquired data, i.e. s and r are not integers, hence the number of integers in the given interval will always be 5.

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