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I recently did my diagnostic test and got 450 (q 18 -yes, I know is sad- and v 32). I am not a native speaker so I was surprised with my relatively good verbal performance. On the other hand, my quant performance is really poor (only got 15 questions right). I am a lawyer and never studied math at college. I know that I have to strenght my quant abilities and think I can do it. Can anyone help me with some tips? Is it possible for me to achieve a 700?
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I recently did my diagnostic test and got 450 (q 18 -yes, I know is sad- and v 32). I am not a native speaker so I was surprised with my relatively good verbal performance. On the other hand, my quant performance is really poor (only got 15 questions right). I am a lawyer and never studied math at college. I know that I have to strenght my quant abilities and think I can do it. Can anyone help me with some tips? Is it possible for me to achieve a 700?

congrats on a great verbal score.
Well, you can definitely improve on your quant score. Its just a matter of perserverance.

Manhattan GMAT Quant Guides are the best in my opinion. Buy and Start studying them and do the corresponding questions from OG mentioned at the end of the chapter.

Try to analyse every question that you got incorrect and also those questions on which you guessed.
In short you must know why the correct answer is correct.

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I recently did my diagnostic test and got 450 (q 18 -yes, I know is sad- and v 32). I am not a native speaker so I was surprised with my relatively good verbal performance. On the other hand, my quant performance is really poor (only got 15 questions right). I am a lawyer and never studied math at college. I know that I have to strenght my quant abilities and think I can do it. Can anyone help me with some tips? Is it possible for me to achieve a 700?

congrats on a great verbal score.
Well, you can definitely improve on your quant score. Its just a matter of perserverance.

Manhattan GMAT Quant Guides are the best in my opinion. Buy and Start studying them and do the corresponding questions from OG mentioned at the end of the chapter.

Try to analyse every question that you got incorrect and also those questions on which you guessed.
In short you must know why the correct answer is correct.

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Thank you very much for your reply! I will follow your advice! I need to practice, practice and practice, I guess. Actually, I normally understand what I do wrong and why a particular answer is correct. However, when I have to do it by myself in less than two minutes the things are not so easy.
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Thank you very much for your reply! I will follow your advice! I need to practice, practice and practice, I guess. Actually, I normally understand what I do wrong and why a particular answer is correct. However, when I have to do it by myself in less than two minutes the things are not so easy.

No probs
Consider studying 'foundation of gmat quant' by manhattan gmat if you think you need soem more help.

Make flash cards and revise them every week. Quiz yourself every week. This helped me too.

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A verbal 32 is not bad, but there is still room for improvement
For the moment, you have to focus on your quant score.
As Sachin9 said, read prep books with foundations (Manhattan's collection is excellent).
Do not underestimate seemingly simple math questions. Read every paragraph in detail and do the exercises to make sure you learned the concepts.

Do not overuse practice tests... they are limited resources.

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05 Feb 2013, 04:02
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A verbal 32 is not bad, but there is still room for improvement
For the moment, you have to focus on your quant score.
As Sachin9 said, read prep books with foundations (Manhattan's collection is excellent).
Do not underestimate seemingly simple math questions. Read every paragraph in detail and do the exercises to make sure you learned the concepts.

Do not overuse practice tests... they are limited resources.

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Thank you very much! I really appreciate your attention. I like this community, where everybody helps each other. Another problem I have in quant is my slowness in mental calculus. The thinq is, how is suposed that a person with no math background at all will "compete" with a lot of people very well prepared in quant issues? That is one of my main concerns.
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rainfall wrote:
A verbal 32 is not bad, but there is still room for improvement
For the moment, you have to focus on your quant score.
As Sachin9 said, read prep books with foundations (Manhattan's collection is excellent).
Do not underestimate seemingly simple math questions. Read every paragraph in detail and do the exercises to make sure you learned the concepts.

Do not overuse practice tests... they are limited resources.

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Thank you very much! I really appreciate your attention. I like this community, where everybody helps each other. Another problem I have in quant is my slowness in mental calculus. The thinq is, how is suposed that a person with no math background at all will "compete" with a lot of people very well prepared in quant issues? That is one of my main concerns.

Mate,
You must never calculate anything mentally. Mental calculation is many many times error prone. Ron Purewal, world's best instructor, told me this.

As rainfall said, you gotto get used to the formulas and concepts and that might take sometime but with perseverance, you can tackle anything.

Go through the foundation book of quant by mgmat and then take their quant foundation test on thier website. This will give you a good idea about where you stand.

Any help u need, post your questions here! people would respond

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I recently did my diagnostic test and got 450 (q 18 -yes, I know is sad- and v 32). I am not a native speaker so I was surprised with my relatively good verbal performance. On the other hand, my quant performance is really poor (only got 15 questions right). I am a lawyer and never studied math at college. I know that I have to strenght my quant abilities and think I can do it. Can anyone help me with some tips? Is it possible for me to achieve a 700?

Hi!

The most important thing is not to panic. I have a BS in Mathematics, but I have a hard time on some GMAT questions, because they test a few high-school level gimmicks, rather than the pure mathematics I studied in college.

My recommendation is to do the 13th Edition Official Review diagnostic (or any diagnostic for that matter) and see what types of questions you're prone to get wrong. Then, go out and buy the Manhattan GMAT books that pertain to those sections (I bought them all, because they show you a ton of useful tricks). Trust me - after doing five to ten questions of any given type, you're substantially more likely to get it right. Also - be sure to continue working on the Verbal; you're on the right track with your 32, but if you want to get a 700, you'll need to score somewhere in the low 40's.

Like I said - don't panic, and don't get discouraged. It takes a lot of determination, but I'm sure that a lawyer such as yourself has all the fundamental tools, verbal and quantitative, to do very well on the GMAT. You just need the practice.
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Thank you very much! I really appreciate your attention. I like this community, where everybody helps each other. Another problem I have in quant is my slowness in mental calculus. The thinq is, how is suposed that a person with no math background at all will "compete" with a lot of people very well prepared in quant issues? That is one of my main concerns.

You don't need very much to go from 'not prepared' to 'prepared' as far as GMAT goes since the concepts tested are very basic. GMAT assumes only high school Math proficiency. The problem is that high school was far back so a thorough brush up is a must. You need to go through a complete set of prep material along with sectional tests to get the concepts right. This step alone will bring your Math score in the 30s range. Thereafter, it will be a game of identifying weak areas and working again on them.
As for mental calculations, before you begin doing them, you need to 'know' a few things like multiplication tables. Remember, most GMAT questions can be solved in under a minute without putting your pen to the paper. You don't need to try that right now since you are just starting out. In fact, even if you do write down a few things, you still have enough time. But you need to be able to cut down steps by working them out in your mind else time will be short.
Check out my post on how to handle calculations in GMAT:
http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2012/04 ... culations/
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Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for $199 Veritas Prep Reviews Intern Joined: 25 Jan 2013 Posts: 35 Location: Spain Concentration: Finance, Other Schools: Wharton '17 (S) GMAT 1: 740 Q49 V42 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 64 [0], given: 12 Re: I got 450 my diagnostic test... HELP... JUMPED TO 630... [#permalink] ### Show Tags 15 May 2013, 02:26 I started this topic 3 months and 10 days ago. I needed help because I had taken my diagnostic test and scored just a poor 450 (18 q and 32 v). After following all the helpful advices -really really helpful-, I have recently taken the Gmat Prep I. The score was a happy surprise because it was a 630 (38 q 38 v). A jump of 180 point! Now I have my real test scheaduled in two months -20th July-, and I would like to have more advice on how to use this two months left in order to make the last big jump ang get into the 700 swimming pool. Particularly, I know what I have to do on quant -finish geometry, equations and ineqs and word translations guides from mgmat. the greates souce-. I think that after that I can reach low 40s in quant and then practice until be able to break the 45 barrier. However, I assume that I won't be able to score 49 in two months left -I think my real limit is 47-, so I am interested in bringing my verbal score from 38 to 42, if possible. Any advice on that? Any more general advice? I am making any wrong assumptions here? Will I be able to reach 700? Thanks in advance VP Status: Far, far away! Joined: 02 Sep 2012 Posts: 1123 Location: Italy Concentration: Finance, Entrepreneurship GPA: 3.8 Followers: 181 Kudos [?]: 1967 [1] , given: 219 Re: I got 450 my diagnostic test... HELP... JUMPED TO 630... [#permalink] ### Show Tags 15 May 2013, 02:46 1 This post received KUDOS spla626 wrote: I started this topic 3 months and 10 days ago. I needed help because I had taken my diagnostic test and scored just a poor 450 (18 q and 32 v). After following all the helpful advices -really really helpful-, I have recently taken the Gmat Prep I. The score was a happy surprise because it was a 630 (38 q 38 v). A jump of 180 point! Now I have my real test scheaduled in two months -20th July-, and I would like to have more advice on how to use this two months left in order to make the last big jump ang get into the 700 swimming pool. Particularly, I know what I have to do on quant -finish geometry, equations and ineqs and word translations guides from mgmat. the greates souce-. I think that after that I can reach low 40s in quant and then practice until be able to break the 45 barrier. However, I assume that I won't be able to score 49 in two months left -I think my real limit is 47-, so I am interested in bringing my verbal score from 38 to 42, if possible. Any advice on that? Any more general advice? I am making any wrong assumptions here? Will I be able to reach 700? Thanks in advance First of all, congrats on your 180 points jump! To improve your Verbal score you should focus in order: SC, CR and RC. With practice you start to recognize some patterns in SC (parallelism, modifiers,...) and this will speed up your time in those questions. Every second you save here can be useful in the other questions. My advise is CR second and RC third because the skills you acquire with CR can be used also in RC. So these sections can be seen as one under many points of view (inference, method of reasoning,...) This is what works for me, hope you find it useful too If you are looking for books on SC, I can recommend you the SC from the Veritas's Gmat Series or the SC form MGMAT. One last thing: if you wanna know "what does it take to reach 700"take a look here. _________________ It is beyond a doubt that all our knowledge that begins with experience. Kant , Critique of Pure Reason Tips and tricks: Inequalities , Mixture | Review: MGMAT workshop Strategy: SmartGMAT v1.0 | Questions: Verbal challenge SC I-II- CR New SC set out !! , My Quant Rules for Posting in the Verbal Forum - Rules for Posting in the Quant Forum[/size][/color][/b] Intern Joined: 25 Jan 2013 Posts: 35 Location: Spain Concentration: Finance, Other Schools: Wharton '17 (S) GMAT 1: 740 Q49 V42 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 64 [0], given: 12 Re: I got 450 my diagnostic test... HELP... JUMPED TO 630... [#permalink] ### Show Tags 15 May 2013, 03:31 Zarrolou wrote: spla626 wrote: I started this topic 3 months and 10 days ago. I needed help because I had taken my diagnostic test and scored just a poor 450 (18 q and 32 v). After following all the helpful advices -really really helpful-, I have recently taken the Gmat Prep I. The score was a happy surprise because it was a 630 (38 q 38 v). A jump of 180 point! Now I have my real test scheaduled in two months -20th July-, and I would like to have more advice on how to use this two months left in order to make the last big jump ang get into the 700 swimming pool. Particularly, I know what I have to do on quant -finish geometry, equations and ineqs and word translations guides from mgmat. the greates souce-. I think that after that I can reach low 40s in quant and then practice until be able to break the 45 barrier. However, I assume that I won't be able to score 49 in two months left -I think my real limit is 47-, so I am interested in bringing my verbal score from 38 to 42, if possible. Any advice on that? Any more general advice? I am making any wrong assumptions here? Will I be able to reach 700? Thanks in advance First of all, congrats on your 180 points jump! To improve your Verbal score you should focus in order: SC, CR and RC. With practice you start to recognize some patterns in SC (parallelism, modifiers,...) and this will speed up your time in those questions. Every second you save here can be useful in the other questions. My advise is CR second and RC third because the skills you acquire with CR can be used also in RC. So these sections can be seen as one under many points of view (inference, method of reasoning,...) This is what works for me, hope you find it useful too If you are looking for books on SC, I can recommend you the SC from the Veritas's Gmat Series or the SC form MGMAT. One last thing: if you wanna know "what does it take to reach 700"take a look here. Thanks very much for your advise. I have tried SMARTGMAT and have liked too much. I think it provides a great insight on how to plan my time left before the test. After using it, my conclusion is that I need to balance my study. Because I think I won't be able to reach some percentiles in verbal nor in quant. Particularly, given the time left -two months-, I think I have a ceiling of 42 in verbal and 47 -at max- in quant, which gives a 730 -that would make me be sooo happy-. The only but of SMARTGMAT is that it seems to assume that there are no limits of improving a particular area. For instance, as I said, I think that it is not possible for me to reach above 47 in quant -given the time left and my natural capabilities-, so much less to score a 50 or 51. In spite of this, indeed, it is a great software. Thanks again! Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 7132 Location: Pune, India Followers: 2140 Kudos [?]: 13715 [1] , given: 222 Re: I got 450 my diagnostic test... HELP... JUMPED TO 630... [#permalink] ### Show Tags 15 May 2013, 08:50 1 This post received KUDOS Expert's post spla626 wrote: I started this topic 3 months and 10 days ago. I needed help because I had taken my diagnostic test and scored just a poor 450 (18 q and 32 v). After following all the helpful advices -really really helpful-, I have recently taken the Gmat Prep I. The score was a happy surprise because it was a 630 (38 q 38 v). A jump of 180 point! Now I have my real test scheaduled in two months -20th July-, and I would like to have more advice on how to use this two months left in order to make the last big jump ang get into the 700 swimming pool. Particularly, I know what I have to do on quant -finish geometry, equations and ineqs and word translations guides from mgmat. the greates souce-. I think that after that I can reach low 40s in quant and then practice until be able to break the 45 barrier. However, I assume that I won't be able to score 49 in two months left -I think my real limit is 47-, so I am interested in bringing my verbal score from 38 to 42, if possible. Any advice on that? Any more general advice? I am making any wrong assumptions here? Will I be able to reach 700? Thanks in advance That's some solid improvement but be prepared for more grilling over the next 2 months if you are aiming for 700. In fact, this 70 point jump will be more difficult than the 180 point jump. You must be comfortable with most basic concepts now. The problem will be advanced application. If you already know areas that you must first work on, great! It means there is still scope of good improvement with little effort. Once you finish the complete prep material, then take a test and figure out what score you are at. After that, the improvement is usually slower so keep your patience. Verbal has few basics but wide application so drill down those basics first - The various questions types in CR/RC - how to tackle each, the various errors in SC - the different forms it can take etc. Then practice as much as you can. A 47-42 split is reasonable. Whether you will be able to reach 700 depends on your drive. 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Thank you all people on the forum for your kind replies and knowledge.

I have a question. Yesterday i took a gmat prep. It's been a while since i took the last test. I got 760. But stop. These are not exactly good news: i had done before arround 70 % of the questions. I did not remember all the questions but they were familiar to me. However, when i knew the exact answer i did it wrong (this happened with 3 questions in quant). Anyway, that 760 is totally inflated.

But, my question is, where i am standing right now. Hundred points below? 50? 120? I do not know, and would like to have the insight of an expert or any people on the forums.

Second, i have done thousands of questions of all sources. So i cannot trust any test i find in the market (i think). How can i asses or test my level now?

I have my test on august 1. Any comments will be appreciated.

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Thank you all people on the forum for your kind replies and knowledge.

I have a question. Yesterday i took a gmat prep. It's been a while since i took the last test. I got 760. But stop. These are not exactly good news: i had done before arround 70 % of the questions. I did not remember all the questions but they were familiar to me. However, when i knew the exact answer i did it wrong (this happened with 3 questions in quant). Anyway, that 760 is totally inflated.

But, my question is, where i am standing right now. Hundred points below? 50? 120? I do not know, and would like to have the insight of an expert or any people on the forums.

Second, i have done thousands of questions of all sources. So i cannot trust any test i find in the market (i think). How can i asses or test my level now?

I have my test on august 1. Any comments will be appreciated.

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