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Re: I'm having trouble with AT LEAST in combinatorics. we have 4 [#permalink]
alexperi wrote:
I find different values.
4C0=1
4C1=4
4C2=6
4C3=4
4C4=1
8C4=70

So
What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST one prime number?
1-(4C0/8C4)= 1- 1/70=69/70

What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST TWO prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4)= 1- (1+16)/70=53/70

What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST THREE prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4 + 4C2x4C2/8C4)= 1- (1+16+36)/70=17/70

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agree with alex;

we have 4 slots. There are 8 digits to fill those spots: the digits 2 through 9.

1. What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST one prime number?

= 1 - P (no prime)
= 1 - 4c4/8c4
= 1 - 1/70
= 69/70


2. What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST TWO prime numbers?

= 1 - P (no prime) - P (1 prime)
= 1 - 4c4/8c4 - (4c1x4c3)/8c4
= 1 - (1+16)/70
= 53/70

or alternatively:

= [p(2 prime) + p(3 prime) + p(4 or all prime)]/8c4
= (4c2x4c2 + 4c3x4c1 + 4c4x4c0) /8c4
= (36 + 16 +1)/70
= 53/70

3. What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST THREE prime numbers?

= p(3 prime) + p(4 or all prime)]/8c4
= (4c3x4c1 + 4c4x4c0) /8c4
= (16 +1)/70
= 17/70
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Re: I'm having trouble with AT LEAST in combinatorics. we have 4 [#permalink]
GMAT TIGER, alexperi,

Could you please explain this portion:
- What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST TWO prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4)

- What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST THREE prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4 + 4C2x4C2/8C4)

Notably these portions:
for 1 prime number: 4C1x4C3 (Why we have to multiply by 4C3) and
for 2 prime numbers: 4C2x4C2 (Why we have to multiply by the second 4C2)

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Re: I'm having trouble with AT LEAST in combinatorics. we have 4 [#permalink]
GMAT TIGER wrote:
alexperi wrote:
I find different values.
4C0=1
4C1=4
4C2=6
4C3=4
4C4=1
8C4=70

So
What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST one prime number?
1-(4C0/8C4)= 1- 1/70=69/70

What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST TWO prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4)= 1- (1+16)/70=53/70

What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST THREE prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4 + 4C2x4C2/8C4)= 1- (1+16+36)/70=17/70

Any views?


agree with alex;

we have 4 slots. There are 8 digits to fill those spots: the digits 2 through 9.

1. What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST one prime number?

= 1 - P (no prime)
= 1 - 4c4/8c4
= 1 - 1/70
= 69/70


2. What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST TWO prime numbers?

= 1 - P (no prime) - P (1 prime)
= 1 - 4c4/8c4 - (4c1x4c3)/8c4
= 1 - (1+16)/70
= 53/70

or alternatively:

= [p(2 prime) + p(3 prime) + p(4 or all prime)]/8c4
= (4c2x4c2 + 4c3x4c1 + 4c4x4c0) /8c4
= (36 + 16 +1)/70
= 53/70

3. What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST THREE prime numbers?

= p(3 prime) + p(4 or all prime)]/8c4
= (4c3x4c1 + 4c4x4c0) /8c4
= (16 +1)/70
= 17/70


Why is P(no prime) = 1/70?
2,3,5,7 are the prime numbers. 4,6,8,9 are not.
favorable outcomes are 4^4 = (2^2)^4 or 2^8 or 256
total outcomes are 8^4= (2^3)^4= 2^12= 4096

256/4096 = 1/16? Where did i go wrong??
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Re: I'm having trouble with AT LEAST in combinatorics. we have 4 [#permalink]
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GMAT TIGER, alexperi,

Could you please explain this portion:
- What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST TWO prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4)

- What is the probability that those 4 slots will contain AT LEAST THREE prime numbers?
1-(4C0/8C4 + 4C1x4C3/8C4 + 4C2x4C2/8C4)

Notably these portions:
for 1 prime number: 4C1x4C3 (Why we have to multiply by 4C3) and
for 2 prime numbers: 4C2x4C2 (Why we have to multiply by the second 4C2)

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not sure whether repetition is allowed!!!
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Re: I'm having trouble with AT LEAST in combinatorics. we have 4 [#permalink]
GMAT TIGER - gotcha, thanks
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Re: I'm having trouble with AT LEAST in combinatorics. we have 4 [#permalink]
Skewed, the logic you used
>P(At least 1 Prime) : 1 - P(No Prime)
>p(no prime) : 2^-4 = 1/16 ---> selecting 4,6,8,or 9 four times
>so 1- (1/16) = 15/16
to me is considering repetitions because you assume a 50% - 50% chance every time you select a prime number.
if there are no repetitions then you have
1 - (4/8 * 3/7 * 2/6 * 1/5)=1- 1/70=69/70
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Re: I'm having trouble with AT LEAST in combinatorics. we have 4 [#permalink]
alexperi wrote:
Skewed, the logic you used
>P(At least 1 Prime) : 1 - P(No Prime)
>p(no prime) : 2^-4 = 1/16 ---> selecting 4,6,8,or 9 four times
>so 1- (1/16) = 15/16
to me is considering repetitions because you assume a 50% - 50% chance every time you select a prime number.
if there are no repetitions then you have
1 - (4/8 * 3/7 * 2/6 * 1/5)=1- 1/70=69/70


Thx man,

I prefaced my answer by saying that I assumed repetition.
We are just debating semantics here. We understand how to do the problem. I chose to go w/ the less restrictive of the options to encompass a wider solution set.

I do want to ask however what the default GMAT way is when dealing w/ certain combination/permutation/prob questions where there is no info about repetition and context of the question doesn't dictate one way or the other. Is the default to assume repetition or not to assume repetition??



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