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if |x| - |y| = |x+y| and xy not equal zero , which of the following must be true ? a) x-y> 0 b) x-y< 0 c) x+y> 0 d) xy>0 e) xy<0 this one is from manhattan, the answer is I want to know wether there is a rule involved that i am missing, or an effective strategy to tackle that kind of questions Thank you
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|x| - |y| = |x+y| => (|x| - |y|)^2 = |x+y|^2 = (x+y)^2 => x^2 - 2|x||y| + y^2 = x^2 + 2xy + y^2 => |xy| = -xy because xy != 0 so xy <0 Ans: E Pedros wrote: if |x| - |y| = |x+y| and xy not equal zero , which of the following must be true ? a) x-y> 0 b) x-y< 0 c) x+y> 0 d) xy>0 e) xy<0 this one is from manhattan, the answer is I want to know wether there is a rule involved that i am missing, or an effective strategy to tackle that kind of questions Thank you
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Re: I need a strategy for this one. [#permalink]
09 Sep 2009, 11:35
there can be 4 instances:- i)x +,y -....|x| - |y| = |x+y| => x-y=x-y ii) both +... x-y=x+y.. not possible as xy not equal zero iii) both -....x-y=-(x+y) .. not possible as xy not equal zero iv) x-,y+...x-y=y-x......x=y.. therefore x and y are of different signs, when multiplied ,it should be -ive
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14 Jun 2011, 03:39
solution exists only for x,y<0 which is x+y = 0 thus xy < 0 E
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Re: I need a strategy for this one. [#permalink]
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Pedros wrote: if |x| - |y| = |x+y| and xy not equal zero , which of the following must be true ? a) x-y> 0 b) x-y< 0 c) x+y> 0 d) xy>0 e) xy<0 this one is from manhattan, the answer is I want to know wether there is a rule involved that i am missing, or an effective strategy to tackle that kind of questions Thank you mnpqxyzt has given a great solution above. I would like to add here that it is possible that it doesn't occur to you that you should square both sides. If you do get stuck with such a question, notice that it says 'which of the following MUST be true'. So as a back up, you can rely on plugging in numbers. If you get even one set of values for which the condition does not hold, the condition is not your answer. |x| - |y| = |x+y| First set of non-zero values that come to mind is x = 1, y = -1 This set satisfies only options (A) and (E). Now, the set x = -1, y = 1 will also satisfy the given equation. But this set will not satisfy option (A). Hence answer (E).
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18 Jun 2011, 21:49
Krishma can you pls explain how to eliminate answer choices precisely.How can xy<0 not be true when one is negative and the other positive.
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AnkitK wrote: Krishma can you pls explain how to eliminate answer choices precisely.How can xy<0 not be true when one is negative and the other positive. Ok. Given: |x| - |y| = |x+y| There are infinite set of values for x and y that satisfy this equation. Let us try one of them. Say x = 1, y = -1 a) x-y> 0 .......... 1 - (-1) > 0; 2 > 0; True b) x-y< 0........... 1 - (-1) < 0; 2 < 0; Eliminate c) x+y> 0........... 1 + (-1) > 0; 0 > 0; Eliminate d) xy>0.............. 1 *(-1) > 0; -1 > 0; Eliminate e) xy<0.............. 1 *(-1) < 0; -1 < 0; True So I have two options that satisfy the assumed values of x and y. We need to eliminate one of them. They are a) x-y> 0 e) xy<0 We see that x = 1, y = -1 satisfies both these inequalities. But option (a) is not symmetric i.e. if you interchange the values of x and y, it will not hold. That is, if x = -1 and y = 1, our original equation |x| - |y| = |x+y| is still satisfied but a) x-y> 0 .............. (-1) - (1) > 0; -2>0; False. Eliminate e) xy<0................. (-1)(1) < 0; True Since option (e) still holds, it is the answer. xy<0 is certainly true when one of them is negative and the other is positive. Takeaways: |x| + |y| = |x+y| when x and y have the same signs - either both are positive or both are negative (or one or both of them are 0) |x| - |y| = |x+y| when x and y have opposite signs - one is positive, the other negative (or y is 0 or both are 0)
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Thnkx for the wonderfull explanation karishma.
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: AnkitK wrote: Krishma can you pls explain how to eliminate answer choices precisely.How can xy<0 not be true when one is negative and the other positive. Ok. Given: |x| - |y| = |x+y| There are infinite set of values for x and y that satisfy this equation. Let us try one of them. Say x = 1, y = -1 a) x-y> 0 .......... 1 - (-1) > 0; 2 > 0; True b) x-y< 0........... 1 - (-1) < 0; 2 < 0; Eliminate c) x+y> 0........... 1 + (-1) > 0; 0 > 0; Eliminate d) xy>0.............. 1 *(-1) > 0; -1 > 0; Eliminate e) xy<0.............. 1 *(-1) < 0; -1 < 0; True So I have two options that satisfy the assumed values of x and y. We need to eliminate one of them. They are a) x-y> 0 e) xy<0 We see that x = 1, y = -1 satisfies both these inequalities. But option (a) is not symmetric i.e. if you interchange the values of x and y, it will not hold. That is, if x = -1 and y = 1, our original equation |x| - |y| = |x+y| is still satisfied but a) x-y> 0 .............. (-1) - (1) > 0; -2>0; False. Eliminate e) xy<0................. (-1)(1) < 0; True Since option (e) still holds, it is the answer. xy<0 is certainly true when one of them is negative and the other is positive. Takeaways: |x| + |y| = |x+y| when x and y have the same signs - either both are positive or both are negative (or one or both of them are 0) |x| - |y| = |x+y| when x and y have opposite signs - one is positive, the other negative (or y is 0 or both are 0)Karishma, I think the 2nd takeaway has some extra condition missed out : |x|-|y|=|x+y| if and only if 1) Both have opposite signs and 2) |x| >= |y| because x, y, |x|-|y| , |x+y| 5 ,-6, -1,15 ,-5 , 0 , 0 5, -4, 1 , 1 so, |5| cannot be greater than |-6| for the condition to occur
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krishp84 wrote: Karishma, I think the 2nd takeaway has some extra condition missed out :
|x|-|y|=|x+y| if and only if 1) Both have opposite signs and 2) |x| >= |y|
because x, y, |x|-|y| , |x+y| 5 ,-6, -1,1 5 ,-5 , 0 , 0 5, -4, 1 , 1
so, |5| cannot be greater than |-6| for the condition to occur
The takeaway is that if x and y satisfy the condition |x|-|y|=|x+y|, then they must have opposite signs (or y is 0 or both are 0). But, x and y having opposite signs is not sufficient to satisfy the condition |x|-|y|=|x+y|. As you said, in that case we will also need to check for their absolute values. (Good thinking, btw)
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21 Jun 2011, 12:40
Great explanation!
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08 Jul 2011, 21:23
I plugged in numbers: X = -6, Y =3 and X = 6, Y = -3. The answer is E.
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