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Before I tried using their grid system I was consistently around the 80% correct in study material. After practicing with the grid system or a few days I am around 60%. Why do I always change things that work!
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hfbamafan wrote: Before I tried using their grid system I was consistently around the 80% correct in study material. After practicing with the grid system or a few days I am around 60%.
Why do I always change things that work! Could you provide additional details about the MGMAT e grid system? Maybe reference one of their study guides?a specific chapter and page? Thanks!
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11 Apr 2012, 07:20
GreginChicago wrote: hfbamafan wrote: Before I tried using their grid system I was consistently around the 80% correct in study material. After practicing with the grid system or a few days I am around 60%.
Why do I always change things that work! Could you provide additional details about the MGMAT e grid system? Maybe reference one of their study guides?a specific chapter and page? Thanks! Sure can. I am about to take an errand study break, but when I get back I will get right on it.
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MGMAT Critical Reasoning, Chapter 2, Pg34 Example 4 Certain genetic diseases are more prevalent among certain ethnic populations. For example, Tay Sachs disease, a usually fatal genetic condition caused by the build-up if gangliocides in nerve cells, occurs more frequently among Ashkenazi Jews than among the general population. Which of the following assertions can most properly be drawn from the above information? Example of grid
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19 Apr 2012, 13:47
The grid system helped me a lot in deconstructing the critical reasoning argument.. Posted from my mobile device
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I don't use it myself, either.  But I do know lots of people who use and like it. You have to figure out what works for you - the same things won't work for everyone. First of all, if you're already really good at something and aren't looking to get much, much better, then you shouldn't be making any major changes to your strategy for that thing, just minor ones. If, on the other hand, you're looking for a major improvement with something, then you're going to have to try some major changes - but also be prepared for something not to work and then you'll have to try something else. For me, I don't like the T-diagram because my brain doesn't work that way. I have to write the info down first and then figure out how it all flows, while the T-diagram requires you to figure out the flow first and then write stuff down. Neither way is wrong - it just depends how your brain works. So I write out my notes line-by-line, and then I put a C with a circle around it next to the conclusion and draw little arrows if I want to indicate that one piece of info leads to another. (One more thing: learning a new note-taking technique, or any major new strategy, can take a good 3-4 weeks of regular practice, especially if it's very different from what you used to do. So just FYI that you may also need to make sure you're giving yourself enough time and practice to get used to a new way of doing things. But if it's just not working, it's not working, and that's okay - try something else.)
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Hi there, I'm not at all surprised at your result, and it should not be cause for worry! You're right that you shouldn't change things that work *if* you're satisfied with how well they are working. If you do try something new like this, you can expect an awkward transition period while you work to implement the new technique. I recently started taking singing lessons after years of performing as an untrained "natural" singer. I sounded terrible for a few weeks until I learned to integrate what my teacher was asking me to do with what I had been doing successfully for decades. Our CR diagram, which is certainly optional, is designed to get you comfortable breaking the argument down into its constituent parts before delving into the answer choices. Many students complain that it is too time-consuming to create the diagram and solve a CR problem in 2 minutes. However, the diagram itself should only take a few seconds to write up. The time-consuming part is analyzing the argument, and that part is not dispensable! Anyone who does well on CR, regardless of their training and/or their written work, is identifying and analyzing these same elements. If you can do all that and maintain consistent accuracy without diagramming, then don't diagram. I don't! However, I do spend most of my time up-front, working to understand the argument. That's the point of the diagram, and most people find that getting their thoughts on paper aids in the process. Unless you're taking the real test right away, I'd recommend that you stick with it for a few weeks and fine-tune, and then decide if diagramming is a keeper. I hope that helps!
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DmitryFarber wrote: Hi there, I'm not at all surprised at your result, and it should not be cause for worry! You're right that you shouldn't change things that work *if* you're satisfied with how well they are working. If you do try something new like this, you can expect an awkward transition period while you work to implement the new technique. I recently started taking singing lessons after years of performing as an untrained "natural" singer. I sounded terrible for a few weeks until I learned to integrate what my teacher was asking me to do with what I had been doing successfully for decades. Our CR diagram, which is certainly optional, is designed to get you comfortable breaking the argument down into its constituent parts before delving into the answer choices. Many students complain that it is too time-consuming to create the diagram and solve a CR problem in 2 minutes. However, the diagram itself should only take a few seconds to write up. The time-consuming part is StaceyKoprince wrote: I don't use it myself, either.  But I do know lots of people who use and like it. You have to figure out what works for you - the same things won't work for everyone. First of all, if you're already really good at something and aren't looking to get much, much better, then you shouldn't be making any major changes to your strategy for that thing, just minor ones. If, on the other hand, you're looking for a major improvement with something, then you're going to have to try some major changes - but also be prepared for something not to work and then you'll have to try something else. For me, I don't like the T-diagram because my brain doesn't work that way. I have to write the info down first and then figure out how it all flows, while the T-diagram requires you to figure out the flow first and then write stuff down. Neither way is wrong - it just depends how your brain works. So I write out my notes line-by-line, and then I put a C with a circle around it next to the conclusion and draw little arrows if I want to indicate that one piece of info leads to another. (One more thing: learning a new note-taking technique, or any major new strategy, can take a good 3-4 weeks of regular practice, especially if it's very different from what you used to do. So just FYI that you may also need to make sure you're giving yourself enough time and practice to get used to a new way of doing things. But if it's just not working, it's not working, and that's okay - try something else.) analyzing the argument, and that part is not dispensable! Anyone who does well on CR, regardless of their training and/or their written work, is identifying and analyzing these same elements. If you can do all that and maintain consistent accuracy without diagramming, then don't diagram. I don't! However, I do spend most of my time up-front, working to understand the argument. That's the point of the diagram, and most people find that getting their thoughts on paper aids in the process. Unless you're taking the real test right away, I'd recommend that you stick with it for a few weeks and fine-tune, and then decide if diagramming is a keeper. I hope that helps! I do the method i learned in Princeton review of doing exactly what DmitryFarber does. She it the nail on the head. I learn the same way and just have to dive in and write my thoughts down. Thanks
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I too do not use the grid. Honestly, my CR hit rate was 60% pre MGMAT course and about 90% post. The reason for the improvement was not the grid. My brain retains the information read well as is. I improved due to what the instructor called "anticipate the answer". So I read the Q, read the little passage, answer it in my mind and then look for something similar in the answer choices.
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23 Apr 2012, 20:19
I find if nearly impossible to implement the grid system . It's way too time consuming ! I think the grid system should be used only really early on in your prep when you have no clue what a critical reasoning is . Posted from GMAT ToolKit
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georgepaul0071987 wrote: I find if nearly impossible to implement the grid system . It's way too time consuming ! I think the grid system should be used only really early on in your prep when you have no clue what a critical reasoning is . Posted from GMAT ToolKitYea, I was to the point where I can pretty much answer a majority of the questions in a timely manner without writing stuff down. I seem to reason better when I do not put stuff down on paper.
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Just out of curiosity , the hit rate of 80% you mentioned was for what ? CR in MGMAT CATs ? Posted from GMAT ToolKit
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georgepaul0071987 wrote: Just out of curiosity , the hit rate of 80% you mentioned was for what ? CR in MGMAT CATs ? Posted from GMAT ToolKitOG, and Critical Reasoning questions on the new GMAT Prep Software. I am still going through the last few topics in the bible so have not gone through hard topics on the GMAT Prep Software V2 with the question pack. I highly recommend purchasing it by the way.
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I actually did purchase the question pack but even the so called "hard" questions are'nt really that hard . The RC section especially is really straightforward . I think the Manhatttan CAT questions are much harder Posted from GMAT ToolKit
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