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If a, b, and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3
(2) b = (c + 1)^3
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Smita04 wrote:
If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3
(2) b = (c + 1)^3


If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.
(2) b = (c + 1)^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.

When taken together you can go with algebraic approach or plug-in method:

Algebraic approach:

(1)+(2) Important tip: x^3-y^3 can be factored as follows: \(x^3-y^3=(x-y)(x^2+xy+y^2)\). Apply this factoring to \(b-a\) --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=(c+1-c)(c^2+2c+1+c^2+c+c^2)=3c^2+3c+1=3(c^2+c)+1\) --> remainder upon division this expression by 3 is 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Plug-in method approach:

(1)+(2) try some numbers for a and b:
\(a=c^3=1\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=8\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=7\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=8\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=27\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=19\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=27\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=64\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=37\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=64\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=125\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=61\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
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It seem that there is some kind of pattern and we can safely assume that in all other cases remainder will also be 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it helps.
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(A) & (B) ruled out as we do not get complete info about a & b together, because in question we are supposed to find
remainder when (b-a) is divided by 3.

lets take both together;

Given:
a=c^3;b=(c+1)^3 ) ( for a,b,c all positive integer)
so lets check at three points;
@c=1, a=1,b=8 ; @ c=2, a=8, b= 27, @ c= 3 , a=27,b=64

8-1/3 R->1
27-8/3 R->1
64-27/3 R->1

Hence C is the answer
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Bunuel wrote:
Smita04 wrote:
If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3
(2) b = (c + 1)^3


If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.
(2) b = (c + 1)^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.

When taken together you can go with algebraic approach or plug-in method:

Algebraic approach:

(1)+(2) Important tip: x^3-y^3 can be factored as follows: \(x^3-y^3=(x-y)(x^2+xy+y^2)\). Apply this factoring to \(b-a\) --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=(c+1-c)(c^2+2c+1+c^2+c+c^2)=3c^2+3c+1=3(c^2+c)+1\) --> remainder upon division this expression by 3 is 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Plug-in method approach:

(1)+(2) try some numbers for a and b:
\(a=c^3=1\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=8\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=7\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=8\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=27\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=19\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=27\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=64\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=37\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=64\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=125\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=61\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
...
It seem that there is some kind of pattern and we can safely assume that in all other cases remainder will also be 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it helps.



Integers, when divided by 3 can leave a remainder of \(0, 1, or 2.\)
Integers cubed, when divided by 3, will leave the same remainders, because \(0^3=0, 1^3=1,\) and \(2^3=8=6+2.\)

Therefore, when subtracting cubes of two consecutive integers, the result will always leave a remainder of 1:
the remainders repeat themselves cyclically \(0,1,2,0,1,2,...\), so \(1-0=2-1=1\) and \(\,\,0-2=-3+1.\)
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Bunuel wrote:
Smita04 wrote:
If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3
(2) b = (c + 1)^3


If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.
(2) b = (c + 1)^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.

When taken together you can go with algebraic approach or plug-in method:

Algebraic approach:

(1)+(2) Important tip: x^3-y^3 can be factored as follows: \(x^3-y^3=(x-y)(x^2+xy+y^2)\). Apply this factoring to \(b-a\) --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=(c+1-c)(c^2+2c+1+c^2+c+c^2)=3c^2+3c+1=3(c^2+c)+1\) --> remainder upon division this expression by 3 is 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Plug-in method approach:

(1)+(2) try some numbers for a and b:
\(a=c^3=1\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=8\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=7\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=8\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=27\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=19\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=27\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=64\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=37\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=64\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=125\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=61\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
...
It seem that there is some kind of pattern and we can safely assume that in all other cases remainder will also be 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it helps.


Hi Bunuel,
Would it be possible for you to provide OA to the question and adjust the difficulty level, so that we guys can actually have some appreciation for the question?
:)

Thanks!
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Bunuel wrote:
Smita04 wrote:
If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3
(2) b = (c + 1)^3


If a , b , and c are positive integers, what is the remainder after b - a is divided by 3?

(1) a = c^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.
(2) b = (c + 1)^3 --> no info about b. Not sufficient.

When taken together you can go with algebraic approach or plug-in method:

Algebraic approach:

(1)+(2) Important tip: x^3-y^3 can be factored as follows: \(x^3-y^3=(x-y)(x^2+xy+y^2)\). Apply this factoring to \(b-a\) --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=(c+1-c)(c^2+2c+1+c^2+c+c^2)=3c^2+3c+1=3(c^2+c)+1\) --> remainder upon division this expression by 3 is 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Plug-in method approach:

(1)+(2) try some numbers for a and b:
\(a=c^3=1\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=8\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=7\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=8\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=27\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=19\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=27\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=64\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=37\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
\(a=c^3=64\) --> \(b=(c+1)^3=125\) and --> \(b-a=(c + 1)^3-c^3=61\) --> remainder upon division 3 is 1;
...
It seem that there is some kind of pattern and we can safely assume that in all other cases remainder will also be 1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it helps.


Hi Bunuel,
Would it be possible for you to provide OA to the question and adjust the difficulty level, so that we guys can actually have some appreciation for the question?
:)

Thanks!


Added the OA. Thank you.
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