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1. Statement 1 tells us that a refined number must be a multiple of 22. This is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for a refined number. While every refined number is a multiple of 22, every multiple of 22 is not necessarily a refined number. Since we have no other info about the definition of a refined number, we cannot determine how many integers from 1-1000 fit that definition. Insuff.

2. Statement 2 provides us with a definition of a refined number- an even multiple of 11. We can find the number of even multiples of 11 in the set, so this is sufficient.

1. Statement 1 tells us that a refined number must be a multiple of 22. This is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for a refined number. While every refined number is a multiple of 22, every multiple of 22 is not necessarily a refined number. Since we have no other info about the definition of a refined number, we cannot determine how many integers from 1-1000 fit that definition. Insuff.

2. Statement 2 provides us with a definition of a refined number- an even multiple of 11. We can find the number of even multiples of 11 in the set, so this is sufficient.

OA is (B)

Isn't (2) just a repetition of (1)?
(2) says the refined number must be an even multiple of 11. So a refined number can be 22, 44, 66, 88, 110,... etc... All these are multiples off 22, which is given in (1).

1. Statement 1 tells us that a refined number must be a multiple of 22. This is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for a refined number. While every refined number is a multiple of 22, every multiple of 22 is not necessarily a refined number. Since we have no other info about the definition of a refined number, we cannot determine how many integers from 1-1000 fit that definition. Insuff.

2. Statement 2 provides us with a definition of a refined number- an even multiple of 11. We can find the number of even multiples of 11 in the set, so this is sufficient.

OA is (B)

GMATT73 I see the point.
..this question has a very good trap.

what is the point?
I dont get it...(1) and (2) are saying the same thing...I would say such a twisted question will never appear on the GMAT!

believe2 wrote:

GMATT73 wrote:

1. Statement 1 tells us that a refined number must be a multiple of 22. This is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for a refined number. While every refined number is a multiple of 22, every multiple of 22 is not necessarily a refined number. Since we have no other info about the definition of a refined number, we cannot determine how many integers from 1-1000 fit that definition. Insuff.

2. Statement 2 provides us with a definition of a refined number- an even multiple of 11. We can find the number of even multiples of 11 in the set, so this is sufficient.

OA is (B)

GMATT73 I see the point. ..this question has a very good trap.

what is the point? I dont get it...(1) and (2) are saying the same thing...I would say such a twisted question will never appear on the GMAT!

believe2 wrote:

GMATT73 wrote:

1. Statement 1 tells us that a refined number must be a multiple of 22. This is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for a refined number. While every refined number is a multiple of 22, every multiple of 22 is not necessarily a refined number. Since we have no other info about the definition of a refined number, we cannot determine how many integers from 1-1000 fit that definition. Insuff.

2. Statement 2 provides us with a definition of a refined number- an even multiple of 11. We can find the number of even multiples of 11 in the set, so this is sufficient.

OA is (B)

GMATT73 I see the point. ..this question has a very good trap.

the diff b/w 1) and 2) is that in 1) 22 and 44 may be refined numbers. we can calc the prob. 22 44 66 may be refinded numbers as well. the prob to the former example is different but both satisfy 1). in 2) its certain that every mutiple off 22 is a refined number. there is only one value for the prob. _________________

If your mind can conceive it and your heart can believe it, have faith that you can achieve it.

what is the point? I dont get it...(1) and (2) are saying the same thing...I would say such a twisted question will never appear on the GMAT!

Yes I've seen this question type in the GMAT test. The trap is (1) doesn't define "refined number" and (2) does.
For example, you can say "an even number must be an integer", this doesn't define an even number, because not every integer is an even number. Similarly with (1), every refined number must be divided by 22. But perhaps they also must be divided by 4, or something else. _________________

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keep on seeking, and you will find;
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Re: If a number is drawn at random from the first 1000 positive [#permalink]
25 Dec 2012, 06:30

Expert's post

Sorry for starting this old thread, but can anyone please elaborate on this ancient problem? I am still not able to distinguish 1 and 2, apart from considering that one is definition and the other is not. Need examples for clarification. _________________

Re: If a number is drawn at random from the first 1000 positive [#permalink]
25 Dec 2012, 07:12

Marcab wrote:

Sorry for starting this old thread, but can anyone please elaborate on this ancient problem? I am still not able to distinguish 1 and 2, apart from considering that one is definition and the other is not. Need examples for clarification.

I would say it's more about the wording than the math.

Let's make it simple.

1. Any refined number must be divisible by 22

If refined numbers were 44n then (1) would give us wrong numbers. 44, 88, 132 = refined. But (1) doesn't tell us that 22, 44, 110 is not refined.

2. A refined number is any even multiple of 11.

Here we're told the actual definition of refined numbers. They're the even multiples of 11.

Re: If a number is drawn at random from the first 1000 positive [#permalink]
12 Mar 2014, 22:25

Hello Guys, This is my first post, I hope you find it helpful.

Now in the question they have asked a no. Is drawn from first 1000 positive integers, and its probability. Def. Of refined no, is given in respective statements. Its all about wordings.

Now, S1.) Any refined no must be divisible by 22, this include 22, 44, 242, 110, 198,.... and the list goes on, there are definite nos. and nos can be found, but the statement says ANY, which is absurd. INSUFFICIENT.

S2.) A refined no is any even multiple of 11. This includes 22, 44, 66, 88, 286,484, 968..... and on, here also no can be found but A REFINED NO. IS MENTIONED. This makes it clear a definite no particularly even multiple of 11. SUFFICIENT. BASICALLY ITS ALL ON WORDING, YOU DONT NEED TO SOLVE.

ANS B.

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