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Re: Tough Fraction/Algebra Question - Find possible value for n [#permalink]

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just cross multiply, we get (60-2n)b = (n-15)c now, as given, c<b ==> b/c > 1 ==> b/c = (n-15) / (60-2n) > 1

case 1: 60-2n < 0 (negative) ==> 60<2n ==> n>30 ==> from (n-15) / (60-2n) > 1 we can write (n-15) < (60-2n) as 60-2n is negative the sign changes ==> 3n<75 ==> n<25 and n>30 as derived above and this is not posible hence 60-2n is not negative

case2: 60-2n>0 positive ==> 60>2n ==> n< 30 ==> from (n-15) / (60-2n) > 1 we can write (n-15) > (60-2n) as 60-2n is positive the sign DOES NOT change ==> 3n>75 ==> n>25 and n<30 as derived above and this says n is between 25 and 30

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Solution to follow. Good luck.

You are basically given that: \(15 (\frac{4b+c}{2b+c}) = 15 (1 + \frac{2b}{2b+c}) = n\) and \(c < b\)

Thus, the largest value of the denominator should be lesser than the case where c= b. Then \(\frac{2b}{2b+c} > \frac{2b}{3b}\) which is \(\frac{2}{3}\)

Thus, \(n > 15 (1 + \frac{2}{3})\) which means \(n > 15 (\frac{5}{3}\) and hence n > 25.

The largest value to this occurs when c = 0, and if you substitute that in to the original equation, we get \(\frac{2b}{2b+c} < \frac{2b}{2b}\) which is 1. Thus \(n < (15)(2)\) which means n < 30.

The only value of n which falls in this range is 27 and hence the answer is C.

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Solution to follow. Good luck.

Exactly like question no 148 of OG12. Just values are different.

This question can be easily solved using weighted averages, if you are comfortable with the concept.

Note here that the question is \(\frac{{15 *c + 30*2b }}{{c + 2b}} = n\)

The formula of weighted averages looks like this: \(\frac{{ax + by}}{{x + y}} =\)Weighted Average

So n will be more than 15 but less than 30 and will depend on the relation between c and b. Since c < b, then c:2b is less than 1:2 Then weighted average (n) will lie between 25 and 30. Only possible answer is 27. Note: You cannot find the exact value of n here. Just the range in which it lies. _________________

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The values in the answer choices are quite close so it's certain that if I plug in, the resulting value will be very near one of the options. It's a rigid range.

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martie11 wrote:

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Solution to follow. Good luck.

Exactly like question no 148 of OG12. Just values are different.

This question can be easily solved using weighted averages, if you are comfortable with the concept.

Note here that the question is \(\frac{{15 *c + 30*2b }}{{c + 2b}} = n\)

The formula of weighted averages looks like this: \(\frac{{ax + by}}{{x + y}} =\)Weighted Average

So n will be more than 15 but less than 30 and will depend on the relation between c and b. Since c < b, then c:2b is less than 1:2 Then weighted average (n) will lie between 25 and 30. Only possible answer is 27. Note: You cannot find the exact value of n here. Just the range in which it lies.

Hey Karishma... I have a question.... I saw the explanation on your blog but still it did not clear... when taking weighted averages.... when a<b, the weighted average will be to the right of midpoint of the weights right..... in this case... we are taking weighted averages of c, 2b..... since c<b c is also less than 2b..... so the weighted average of c, 2b is closer to 2b.... weights are 15,30 and midpoint is 22.5... so it should be in the range of 22.5 to 30... then how did you conclude n to be between 25 and 30 instead of 22.5? I agree with your answer and was able to work it out conventional way but looking for some time saving tricks.... Thanks

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Ans: solving the equation we get n= 15(c+4b)/(c+2b) the max value will occur when c =0 which is 30 and the min value will occur when c=b which is >25 , therefore the answer is (C). _________________

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Amateur wrote:

Hey Karishma... I have a question.... I saw the explanation on your blog but still it did not clear... when taking weighted averages.... when a<b, the weighted average will be to the right of midpoint of the weights right..... in this case... we are taking weighted averages of c, 2b..... since c<b c is also less than 2b..... so the weighted average of c, 2b is closer to 2b.... weights are 15,30 and midpoint is 22.5... so it should be in the range of 22.5 to 30... then how did you conclude n to be between 25 and 30 instead of 22.5? I agree with your answer and was able to work it out conventional way but looking for some time saving tricks.... Thanks

Average of two numbers lies at their mid point. Weighted average of two numbers lies closer to the number which has higher weight. The average of 15 and 30 will be 22.5 The weighted average of 15 and 30 where w1 and w2 are the weights of 15 and 30 respectively will depend on the values of w1 and w2.

w1/w2 = c/2b c/b < 1 (because c < b) so c/2b < 1/2

If c/2b were equal to 1/2, w1/w2 = 1/2 so the average would be at 25. (Plug it in the formula if you are not sure how we arrived at 25). But since c/2b is actually less than 1/2, the weighted average will fall between 25 and 30. _________________

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