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If charles had spent half as much time attending his classes [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 15:16
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1. If charles had spent half as much time attending his classes as he did complaining about them, he would have been a good student.

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B.had spent half as much time to attend his classes as he did to complain
C.were to spend half as much time attending his classes as he does complaining
D.were to spend half as much time attending his classes as complaining
E.should spend half as much time attending his clasees as to complain

I disagree with the OA..
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 15:20
B

CDE change past tense to subjunctive/future - eliminated.

Out of A and B A uses the participle form and B uses the infinitive form. Paul said in an earlier post that he chooses infinitives over participle most times. I agree. B for me.

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1. If charles had spent half as much time attending his classes as he did complaining about them, he would have been a good student.

A.had spent half as much time attending his classes as he did complaining
B.had spent half as much time to attend his classes as he did to complain
C.were to spend half as much time attending his classes as he does complaining
D.were to spend half as much time attending his classes as complaining
E.should spend half as much time attending his clasees as to complain

I disagree with the OA..
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 15:30
"Charles... to attend..." disagree.

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GMAT usually doesn't like undefined "them"s. Where is this question from?

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spent...attending
spent...to attend

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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 15:34
see thats my issue..what do you mean past tense? the whole expressions is subjunctive..its a hypothetical situation..therefore it is subjunctive?

is it the "would have been" in the un-underlined part that signals we have to use "past tense"?

btw..i will post the OA later..
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 15:40
Its NOT fully hypothetical. It describes the situation that Charles is currently a poor student, and, if he had studied, he would have been a good student. The usage of "would" is subjunctive past tense. When you use "were", your are implying subjunctive future tense, clearly not the case here.
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 15:44
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Its NOT fully hypothetical. It describes the situation that Charles is currently a poor student, and, if he had studied, he would have been a good student. The usage of "would" is subjunctive past tense. When you use "were", your are implying subjunctive future tense, clearly not the case here.


ahh! bingo...got it.. thanks man..thats what was bothering me..somehow you can stare at it and your mind would be stalled..thanks guys..

OA is A...
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 16:19
i think B is wrong cause we need "adverb-ing" to modify charles..
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 16:20
[quote="Maple"]Where is this question from?[/quote

dont know..saw it on this forum...and when i saw the OA..wanted to understand what is going on.
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2008, 18:41
I am also confused between A and B.

This is a rule of thumb that GMAC prefers infinitives to ....ing form.
Shouldn't it be true here?
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 01 May 2008, 02:21
A is best indeed.

Participles describe a situation that happened in the past while infinitives talk about a present condition.

Given the use of the third conditional (ie If + Past Perfect Tense would have + past participle), this clearly describes a situation in the past and in order to be speaking in the same "time dimension", you need participles (-ing) rather than infinitives in this example.
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 01 May 2008, 07:33
fresinha12 wrote:
1. If charles had spent half as much time attending his classes as he did complaining about them, he would have been a good student.

A....
B.had spent half as much time to attend his classes as he did to complain
C.were to spend half as much time attending his classes as he does complaining
D.were to spend half as much time attending his classes as complaining
E.should spend half as much time attending his clasees as to complain

I disagree with the OA..


I choose A.

"Would have been" indicates past tense to me, thus ruling out C, D, and E. B isn't a bad choice, however the verbs in the infinitive form is incorrect when participles should be used. Therefore, A is the answer choice left.
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 01 May 2008, 07:50
A,

"had spent time attending" is much better than "had spent to attend"
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 01 May 2008, 17:34
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Upon a second read of MGMAT - it is somewhat clear why B is incorrect. This is an example of an If ... then construct with the usage of past perfect progressive tense (phew)

The rules for if .. then are :
PRESENT ----> WILL + BASE VERB
If Charles studies he will be a good student.

PAST ----------> WOULD/COULD + BASE VERB
If Charles studied he would be a good student.

PAST PERFECT --> WOULD/COULD + HAVE + PAST PARTICIPLE <--- BINGO this eliminates CDE
If Charles had studied he would have been a good student.

In this example
If Charles had spent half as much time to attend ---- > he would have been a good student (simple past perfect)
vs
If Charles had spent half as much time attending his classes ---> he would have been a good student (progressive past perfect)

The book states : "in general try to use simple tenses instead of progressive tenses. However, if the meaning of the sentence emphasizes the ongoing nature of an action, you can use the progressive tone"

The ongoing nature of the action - aha. Thats the key here. Charles would have to keep attending the classes to be a good student, its an ongoing thing. Hence progressive tense is more appropriate. Hence the answer should be A.
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Re: SC Charles [#permalink] New post 15 May 2008, 12:56
A. If charles had spent half as much time attending his classes as he did complaining about them, he would have been a good student.

B. If Charles had spent half as much time to attend his classes as he did to complain about them, he would have been a good student.

had..would have

Very formulaic! Is it from MGMAT?

A for me.
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