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If M and N are positive, what is M*N ?

(1) M^N=1
(2) N^M=1

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C
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E
. M, N could be 0, or 1, because whatever to the power of zero is 1. Or is it different in GMATland?

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If M and N are positive, what is M*N ?

1.M^N=1
2.N^M=1

Answer is C. But I picked E. M, N could be 0, or 1, because whatever to the power of zero is 1. Or is it different in GMATland?

Thanks guys

m and n are positive.

(1) m^n=1 --> m=1 and n is any value (satisfying the condition that they are both positive). mn unknown. Not sufficient;

(2) n^m=1 --> n=1 and m is any value (satisfying the condition that they are both positive). mn unknown. Not sufficient;

(1)+(2) m=1 and n=1, mn=1. Sufficient.

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thanks guys. tricky.
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22 Nov 2009, 04:32
St1: M^N=1 => M =1 & N=any number or M= any number & N=0; So M*N could be 0 or any number; Insuff
St2: N^M=1 => M =any number & N=1 or M= 0 & N=any number; So M*N could be 0 or any number; Insuff

Combined M=1 and N=1. Hence M*N=1

Hence C
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If M and N are positive, what is M*N ?

(1) M^N=1
(2) N^M=1

[Reveal] Spoiler:
C
. But I picked
[Reveal] Spoiler:
E
. M, N could be 0, or 1, because whatever to the power of zero is 1. Or is it different in GMATland?

Thanks guys

IMO C.

M and N are positive , hence M or N cannot be 0.

1) M = 1 and N can be 1,2,3.. .. hene M*N can be 1,2,3....Not Sufficient.

2) N=1 and M can be anything 1,2,3 ... Not sufficient ....

Combined .. we have M=1 and N=1 .. Sufficient....
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27 Jun 2014, 01:07
Bunuel wrote:
wolver123 wrote:
If M and N are positive, what is M*N ?

1.M^N=1
2.N^M=1

Answer is C. But I picked E. M, N could be 0, or 1, because whatever to the power of zero is 1. Or is it different in GMATland?

Thanks guys

m and n are positive.

(1) m^n=1 --> m=1 and n is any value (satisfying the condition that they are both positive). mn unknown. Not sufficient;

(2) n^m=1 --> n=1 and m is any value (satisfying the condition that they are both positive). mn unknown. Not sufficient;

(1)+(2) m=1 and n=1, mn=1. Sufficient.

Thanks. In GC math book I read that 0 should be treated as positive. Please correct me if I am wrong here.

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Bunuel wrote:
wolver123 wrote:
If M and N are positive, what is M*N ?

1.M^N=1
2.N^M=1

Answer is C. But I picked E. M, N could be 0, or 1, because whatever to the power of zero is 1. Or is it different in GMATland?

Thanks guys

m and n are positive.

(1) m^n=1 --> m=1 and n is any value (satisfying the condition that they are both positive). mn unknown. Not sufficient;

(2) n^m=1 --> n=1 and m is any value (satisfying the condition that they are both positive). mn unknown. Not sufficient;

(1)+(2) m=1 and n=1, mn=1. Sufficient.

Thanks. In GC math book I read that 0 should be treated as positive. Please correct me if I am wrong here.

Regards,
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Where in math book is written this?

0 is neither positive nor negative integer (the only one of this kind).

Check tips on number properties here: tips-and-hints-for-specific-quant-topics-with-examples-172096.html#p1371030

Theory on Number Properties: math-number-theory-88376.html

DS Number Properties Problems to practice: search.php?search_id=tag&tag_id=38
PS Number Properties Problems to practice: search.php?search_id=tag&tag_id=59

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03 Feb 2016, 00:15
Forget conventional ways of solving math questions. In DS, Variable approach is the easiest and quickest way to find the answer without actually solving the problem. Remember equal number of variables and independent equations ensures a solution.

If M and N are positive, what is M*N ?

(1) M^N=1
(2) N^M=1

In the original condition, there are 2 variables(m,n), which should match with the number of equations. So you need 2 equations. For 1) 1 equation, for 2) 1 equation, which is likely to make C the answer.
When 1) & 2), they become m=n=1.

-> For cases where we need 2 more equations, such as original conditions with “2 variables”, or “3 variables and 1 equation”, or “4 variables and 2 equations”, we have 1 equation each in both 1) and 2). Therefore, there is 70% chance that C is the answer, while E has 25% chance. These two are the majority. In case of common mistake type 3,4, the answer may be from A, B or D but there is only 5% chance. Since C is most likely to be the answer using 1) and 2) separately according to DS definition (It saves us time). Obviously there may be cases where the answer is A, B, D or E.
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18 Sep 2016, 08:45
C is correct. Here's why:

(1) M^N = 1

NOT SUFFICIENT (we don't know anything about M and N)

(2) N^M = 1

NOT SUFFICIENT (for the same reason as (1))

Together? (1) + (2) --> we know M=N=1
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