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If x and y are positive integers and 450y=x^3, which of the following must be an integer?

i) \frac{y}{{3*2^2*5}}
ii) \frac{y}{{3^2*2*5}}
iii) \frac{y}{{3*2*5^2}}

a. None
b. i only
c. ii only
d. iii only
e. i, ii and iii

Please explain your answers..

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If x and y are positive integers and 450y=x^3, which of the following must be an integer?

i) \frac{y}{{3*2^2*5}}
ii) \frac{y}{{3^2*2*5}}
iii) \frac{y}{{3*2*5^2}}

a. None
b. i only
c. ii only
d. iii only
e. i, ii and iii

Please explain your answers..

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"Must be an integer" means for the lowest possible value of y.

450y=x^3 --> 2*3^2*5^2*y=x^3. As x and y are integers, y must complete the powers of 2, 3, and 5 to cubes (generally to the multiple of 3). Thus y_{min}=2^2*3*5, in this case 2*3^2*5^2*y=(2*3*5)^3=x^3. Notice that for this value of y only the first option is an integer: \frac{y}{{3*2^2*5}}=\frac{2^2*3*5}{{3*2^2*5}}=1.

Answer: B.
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Re: Number Properties [#permalink] New post 12 Apr 2010, 22:15
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Can you elaborate more on the solution, seems unfathomable for simple minds like mine :).

How did we deduce that "Minimum value of Y"?
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Can you elaborate more on the solution, seems unfathomable for simple minds like mine :).

How did we deduce that "Minimum value of Y"?


x and y are integers and 450y=x^3 --> 450y equals to cube of an integer. 450y=2*3^2*5^2*y=x^3. The smallest value of y for which 2*3^2*5^2*y is a cube of an integer is when y=2^2*3*5. In this case 450y=(2*3^2*5^2)*(2^2*3*5)=(2*3*5)^3. Of course y can take another values as well, for example y=2^5*3^4*5^7 and in this case 450y=(2*3^2*5^2)*(2^5*3^4*5^7)=(2^3*3^2*5^3)^3, but the smallest value of y is when y=2^2*3*5.

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Re: Number Properties [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2010, 02:28
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Re: Number Properties [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2010, 02:32
Oops !!! One more important thing why is plugging in values applicable to these kind of problems?

It seemed pretty simple from the question to plug in 2 integer values in the final equation and check for the integer output btw which miserably failed on all three equations.

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Re: Number Properties [#permalink] New post 14 Apr 2010, 22:00
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I am not sure if I got the question right.
The way I understand this Q isthat 450y = n*n*n and the question is whether the given options are integers.

The answer of above Q is as follows:
We know that:
n = cubic root (450y) = cubic root (2X3X3X5X5)
For n to be an integer, y should be factor of 2X2X3X5.

So y=(2X2X3X5)k where k is any natural number.
if k = 1, y=2X2X3X5
so the answer is b.

I hope this explanation meets your satisfaction.

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Raising the white flag on this one. I really hope I'm not missing something obvious :) Source: GMATPrep Test #1

If n and y are positive integers and 450y=n^3, which of the following must be an integer?

I. \frac{y}{3*2^2*5}

II. \frac{y}{3^2*2*5}

III. \frac{y}{3*2*5^2}

A. None
B. I only
C. II only
D. III only
E. I, II, and III


450*y=n^3
Since 450y is a whole cube, in the prime factorization of 450y, all the exponents on the prime factors must be multiples of 3.
450*y = y * 3^2 * 5^2 * 2
So y must have atleast 3, 5, 2^2 as prime factors. y must be of the form form 3x5x4xA where A is also another perfect cube.
By this logic the answer is (I) only or B, as in all cases y/(3x5x4) has to be an integer.
(ii) or (iii) cannot be true if A=1

Answer is (b)
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Re: Algebra [#permalink] New post 08 Jan 2012, 04:29
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lets find prime factors of 450 = 2* 3* 3* 5* 5

for 450* y to be equal to n^3 450y needs to have 2,3and 5 three times ( as n is an integer )

i.e. 450 y = (2* 3* 3* 5* 5) (2*2*3*5) * x = n^3

now y = (2*2*3*5) * x

only option 1 will then give an integer
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Re: 450y=n^3, finding integer [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2012, 21:45
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If n and y are positive integers and 450y = n^3, which of the following must be an integer?

1. \frac{Y}{3 * 2^2 * 5}

2. \frac{Y}{3^2 * 2 * 5}

3. \frac{Y}{3 * 2 * 5^2}

A) None

B) I only

C) II Only

D) III only

E) I, II and III onmly.


The critical point in this question is that n and y are integers.
Since n is an integer, n^3 must be the cube of an integer. So in n^3, all the prime factors of n must be cubed (or have higher powers which are multiples of 3)

Now consider 450y = n^3
450 is not a perfect cube. So whatever is missing in 450, must be provided by y to make a perfect cube.

450 = 45*10 = 2 * 3^2 * 5^2

To make a perfect cube, we need at least two 2s, a 3 and a 5. These missing factors must be provided by y. Therefore, 2^2*3*5 must be a factor of y.
This means y/2^2*3*5 must be an integer.
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I finally get it. If you want the cuberoot of 450y to be an integer, you need the primefactors to be cubed.

So the primefactors we have for 450 are 2, 3², 5². To be perfect cubes, we need to multiply by 2², 3, 5 which in this case equals y.

so we get that (2*3²*5²) * (2²*3*5) = 2³*3³*5³. If we'd cuberoot x now, we'd get an integer.

This leads to the conclusion that y / 2²*3*5 = 1 = integer. So answer B.

I tried explaining in simpler words so I'd get it myself, I hope it helps the you other non-math-overbrains.

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Re: If n and y are positive integers and 450y=n^3 [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2014, 21:11
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For a perfect square the powers should occur in pairs.

For a perfect cube powers should occur in cubes.

450y = x^3

5^2 * 3^2 * 2 * y = x^3

For LHS to become a cube Y must be

y= 5*3*2^2

Only (1) matches it.
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Re: If n and y are positive integers and 450y=n^3 [#permalink] New post 22 May 2014, 10:59
I could understand the options

But tell y my alternate approach is wrong
450y = x^3

X and Y are integer
450 = 2*3^2*5^2

X=((2*3^2*5^2)y)/x^2
Note: as x is an integer
if x = 2*3^2*5^2

X = y/ (2*3^2*5^2)

And its option c).

Please correct me.

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Re: If n and y are positive integers and 450y=n^3 [#permalink] New post 22 May 2014, 12:11
Hi rrsnathan,

Your approach is wrong because you are assuming 1 fixed value of x = 2*3^2*5^2

But question explicitly asks which option MUST be an integer always. In your assumption, Option C comes out to be an integer but that may not be true in other cases.

So, Right method to solve it is:

450y = x^3

(2*3^2*5^2) * y = x^3

For LHS to be a cube (As R.H.S is a cube),

y = 2^2*3*5*k^3 (where k is a positive integer)

Hence,
Option (b) is always correct

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Re: If n and y are positive integers and 450y=n^3 [#permalink] New post 22 May 2014, 19:25
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I could understand the options

But tell y my alternate approach is wrong
450y = x^3

X and Y are integer
450 = 2*3^2*5^2

X=((2*3^2*5^2)y)/x^2
Note: as x is an integer
if x = 2*3^2*5^2

X = y/ (2*3^2*5^2)



This is incorrect. Note that in the denominator, you have x^2, not x. You are assuming x = 2*3^2*5^2 and putting it as it is in the denominator. Also note that since you have the same x on the left hand side, if you put x = 2*3^2*5^2, you get

2*3^2*5^2 = (2*3^2*5^2)*y/(2*3^2*5^2)^2
i.e. y = (2*3^2*5^2)^2

Basically, you have assumed a value of x and got a value of y. There is no reason for you to assume the value of x as 2*3^2*5^2.

The point here is that y must have some values such that when it multiplies 450, it gives a perfect cube. This is the method discussed above in my post.
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I could understand the options

But tell y my alternate approach is wrong
450y = x^3

X and Y are integer
450 = 2*3^2*5^2

X=((2*3^2*5^2)y)/x^2
Note: as x is an integer
if x = 2*3^2*5^2

X = y/ (2*3^2*5^2)

And its option c).

Please correct me.

Thanks in advance.


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