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if only 7% of all GMAT test takers score 700+, explain this

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if only 7% of all GMAT test takers score 700+, explain this [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 10:58
My understanding is that approximately 7% of all GMAT test takers break the 700 points barrier. I am not sure my understading on this is correct though, especially when I consider the fact that so many people who come here reportedly reach this target after intense preparation.

What can I make of this? Does it suggest that the reported percentage of candidates who score at least a 700 on the GMAT is severely underreported? Or does it suggest that most of the people who come to this forum belong to that exclusive 7% group of the GMAT test takers population? Counterintuitive, wouldn't you agree? I imagined that the ones who needed help with this exam were not exactly the brighest ones.
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 14:24
The people who come here are often very motivated to gain admission to schools in the top clusters. Thus, it would not be surprising if they put far more effort into a high GMAT score than typical test takers.

There is also a reporting bias to consider- in general it appears that high scoring students are more willing to share their experience on GMAT Club than students with low scores.

Finally, 7% percent of several hundred thousand test takers means that tens of thousands of people have scores above 700.

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Re: if only 7% of all GMAT test takers score 700+, explain t [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 14:41
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Counterintuitive, wouldn't you agree? I imagined that the ones who needed help with this exam were not exactly the brighest ones.


Actually, I tend to disagree with that. I think the people on this forum represent some of the brightest and most motivated people I've "met" online. I think the people who take the extra time and trouble to participate actively in a forum like this one probably consist of the top percentage of test-takers.
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 14:55
BillyBoyy, I've been watching your posts for the past couple of days and I am not sure what you are driving at :!: :?:
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 15:47
On a semi-related topic... I participated in a GMAC survey a few weeks ago, and it started with the notice that more than 200K people take the GMAT each year, yet only about 100K enroll in business programs. So what happens to the remaining 100K+ test takers? GMAC says that only about 20%-25% take the test more than once...

On the topic: I agree with coffeelover and Hjort that the population on this forum might not be representative of all test takers, because the people here are more motivated and are putting a greater effort in the their prep.

BillyBoyy, you do seem rather negative. What do you expect to read in response to such questions?! Why do you need to overanalyze the posts on this forum instead of putting an extra effort in your preparation. None of the administrators and moderators on this forum is making promises of miracles. Yes, there are a few advertising companies on the forum, but even their representatives are providing services for free, no commitments on your side...

Are you looking for a place to prepare for the GMAT? GMAT Club is a great place to do that.

Are you looking for an explanation / excuse for a moment in the future, when you might not score 700+? Any forum will do...
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Billyboy, it seems your mission here is to convince yourself that you can't do it! With that attitude you won't get anywhere in life!!!

Cut the crap and start studying!!!
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 17:09
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BillyBoyy, I've been watching your posts for the past couple of days and I am not sure what you are driving at :!: :?:

hmmmmmm............

probably tetliest could do something here.....

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 [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 21:50
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BillyBoyy, I've been watching your posts for the past couple of days and I am not sure what you are driving at :!: :?:


Some people come here, ask for help, receive help, prepare for the exam, and score 700+. Additionally, they'll leave a comment afterwards saying that the GMAT was way easier than they expected.

That leads me to ask the following question: are these individuals who end up scoring 700+ after a lot of effort, average Joes, like me, or are they just highly intelligent, yet tremendously insecure individuals? If it is the latter, then I might as well spend my time doing something more rewarding than following their example of commitment and dedication, since we are not on the 'same league' to begin with.
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2005, 22:47
If you do not mind the question- How are the rest of your application materials? Do you have strong essays, LORs, work experience, and grades?
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Oct 2005, 08:03
Hjort wrote:
If you do not mind the question- How are the rest of your application materials? Do you have strong essays, LORs, work experience, and grades?


I don't mind the question at all =)

I graduated from college last spring. Not Ivy League, I must admit, but at least top 40 in the US according to newsweek.com's latest survey. I majored in mathematics (surprisingly, DS questions still suck) and ended up with a 3.6 GPA. Again, not great, but I find it satisfactory considering the amount of effort I put into it.

As for the other requirements, I'll eventually acquire job experience (my short term goal is to work as an actuary), and I haven't even bothered with essays, recommendations, etc, because I do not plan to apply to b-school until I have at least 2 years of work experience. Also, if I don't score the magical 700 I am looking for, I won't even bother fulfilling the other requirements. It's not like I want to go to some school in the middle of West Virginia that noone has heard of.
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Oct 2005, 11:28
Thanks for the info. I think you are being way too hard on yourself and your background. A 3.6 is above the mean at virtually every business school, not to mention that you earned these grades in a highly quantitative major. Further, your undergraduate university comes from one of the top few clusters in the US. There are some very strong schools in mathematics in that general area of the USNR's legaue tables regardless of whether your undergrad school is part of the Ivy League or the Tycoon University group (Stanford,Duke, Chicago, etc.).

While it is often forgotten in worries over GMAT scores and essays, MBA programs are ultimately about leadership. Perhaps the most important quality of any leader is confidence in herself, her ideas, and her objectives. A lack of confidence in your own abilities will be far more damaging in the long run to a career in management than a "low" GMAT score.
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Re: if only 7% of all GMAT test takers score 700+, explain this [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 07:36
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My understanding is that approximately 7% of all GMAT test takers break the 700 points barrier. I am not sure my understading on this is correct though, especially when I consider the fact that so many people who come here reportedly reach this target after intense preparation.

What can I make of this? Does it suggest that the reported percentage of candidates who score at least a 700 on the GMAT is severely underreported? Or does it suggest that most of the people who come to this forum belong to that exclusive 7% group of the GMAT test takers population? Counterintuitive, wouldn't you agree? I imagined that the ones who needed help with this exam were not exactly the brighest ones.


Easy. In science and statistics this is called sampling bias.
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Re: if only 7% of all GMAT test takers score 700+, explain this [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 09:06
I strongly believe that those you REALLY want that 700 get it.

The reason why only 7% break this barrier is simple... the GMAT prep can take a long time. I would say 3 months minimum. Of course there are those that jump 200 points in 15 days but most do not fall into this. Anywho... you take the GMAT and you dont break the 700... now you need to take it again. You are deflated and forget to realize that studying for an A is a whole lot different than studying for a C. This time consuming road burns out most... and to be honest dedication is not a trait many posess. I think many people just give up after the first try.
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Re: if only 7% of all GMAT test takers score 700+, explain this [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 10:16
i dare to differ. how well you do in your gmat depends a lot on your ability to think rationally and strategically. imho. i needed ~12 days to score 720 and i know of two mistakes that i could have avoided. i guess i could have scored at least 730.i am not super smart or anything. in fact, i look around and ask myself why everyone seems to be smarter/faster/better than me. i just have less problems with quantitative problems than others but at the same time i suck at writing essays. So i am pretty much average. so i wouldnt really think about it too much and just go for it. since you are a maths major, with a little bit of work you should breeze through the quant section.
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Re: if only 7% of all GMAT test takers score 700+, explain this [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 17:02
Agree with the sampling bias. I feel that most people on this forum are very motivated to get the high score and are willing to put the effort in to get the score regardless of their "intelligence" level.
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