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rxs0005 wrote: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1
(1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2. (2) q - p < 1 If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1 Given: p<0 and q<0. Question: is \frac{p}{q}>1 --> multiply both sides by q and as it's negative flip the sign: is p<q? or is p-q<0? (1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2 --> |p-q|=2: either p-q>0 (answer NO) and p-q=2 or p-q<0 (answer YES) and p-q=-2. Not sufficient. (2) q - p < 1 ( p-q>-1) --> if q=-1 and p=-1 then the answer will be NO but if q=-1 and p=-1.5 then the answer will be YES. Not sufficient. (1)+(2) As from (2) p-q>-1 then from (1) p-q=2 so p-q>0 and we have the answer NO. Sufficient. Answer: C.
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Stmt 1: let p=-5, q=-3 Ans : YES, but as its given positive difference is 2 the values can be interchanged Ans : NO insuff
Stmt 2 : q - p < 1 --> q < 1 + p ,, p = -1, q=-2 Ans : NO. p = -3, q = -4, Ans : NO, insuff
Combining,, p = -2, q= -4, NO.. p=-1,q=-3 NO Suff..
very lengthy method.. can anyone pls post easier way to deal with this sort of probs
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If p and q are negative, is \frac{p}{q} greater than 1 ? (1) The positive di¤erence between p and q is 2. (2) q - p < 1 Just can't get this one correct. Please help.
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Bunuel wrote: rxs0005 wrote: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1
(1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2. (2) q - p < 1 If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1 Given: p<0 and q<0. Question: is \frac{p}{q}>1 --> multiply both sides by q and as it's negative flip the sign: is p<q? or is p-q<0? (1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2 --> |p-q|=2: either p-q>0 (answer NO) and p-q=2 or p-q<0 (answer YES) and p-q=-2. Not sufficient. I'm very confused. First why do you have absolute value? How did you derive p-q>0? p-q<0? p-q=-2? Any way to demonstrate? or explain the concepts? Thank you very much. rxs0005 wrote: (2) q - p < 1 (p-q>-1) --> if q=-1 and p=-1 then the answer will be NO but if q=-1 and p=-1.5 then the answer will be YES. Not sufficient. How can q and p both equal -1? [/quote]
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bohdan01 wrote: Bunuel wrote: rxs0005 wrote: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1
(1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2. (2) q - p < 1 If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1 Given: p<0 and q<0. Question: is \frac{p}{q}>1 --> multiply both sides by q and as it's negative flip the sign: is p<q? or is p-q<0? (1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2 --> |p-q|=2: either p-q>0 (answer NO) and p-q=2 or p-q<0 (answer YES) and p-q=-2. Not sufficient. I'm very confused. First why do you have absolute value? How did you derive p-q>0? p-q<0? p-q=-2? Any way to demonstrate? or explain the concepts? Thank you very much. rxs0005 wrote: (2) q - p < 1 (p-q>-1) --> if q=-1 and p=-1 then the answer will be NO but if q=-1 and p=-1.5 then the answer will be YES. Not sufficient. How can q and p both equal -1? "The positive difference between p and q is 2" means that the distance between p and q is 2, which can be expressed as |p-q|=2. For example positive difference between -5 and -3 is 2: |-5-(-3)|=2. Next: Absolute value properties:When x\leq{0} then |x|=-x, or more generally when some \ expression\leq{0} then |some \ expression|\leq{-(some \ expression)}. For example: |-5|=5=-(-5); When x\geq{0} then |x|=x, or more generally when some \ expression\geq{0} then |some \ expression|\leq{some \ expression}. For example: |5|=5; So, for |p-q|=2: If p-q>0 then |p-q|=p-q=2 (example: p=-3 and q=-5); If p-q<0 then |p-q|=-(p-q)=q-p=2 (example: p=-5 and q=-3); Check Absolute Value chapter of Math Book for more: math-absolute-value-modulus-86462.htmlAs for p=q=-1: unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, different variables can represent the same number. Hope it's clear.
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Re: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1 (1) The positive [#permalink]
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given p<0 & q<0
find p/q>1 or p < q
(A) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2.
there |p-q| = 2 so we have
if (p-q) = 2 then p > q
(p-q) = -2 then q > p
datanot sufficient
(B) q - p < 1 or p-q > -1 (multiply both sides by -ve and flip the sign)
if(p>q) p = -0.5 q = -1
then p-q > -1
if(p<q) p = -1 q = -0.5
then p-q > -1
datanot sufficient
(C)
only possibility if(p>q) p = -0.5 / -3 q = -1 / -5 then p-q > -1 also if (p-q) = 2 then p > q
opposite not true if(p<q) p = -5 q = -3
(p-q) = -2 then q > p but p-q not > -1
then p-q > -1 [not possible]
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rxs0005 wrote: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1
(1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2. (2) q - p < 1 It is a good question and you can solve it logically too. Given p and q are negative so p/q must be positive (negative/negative). Whether p/q is greater than 1 depends on whether p < q. If p < q, then yes, p/q > 1 (if p is more negative, it has higher absolute value). Else p/q is not greater than 1. So we have to find out whether p is less than q. (1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2. This only tells us that the difference between them is 2. It doesn't tell us which one is greater so not sufficient. (2) q - p < 1 This tells us that if q is greater than p, it is less than 1 greater than p. q can be equal to p or less than p but if it is greater than p, it is certainly less than 1 greater than p. This means (q = -1.2, p = -1.9), (q = -23, p = -23.4), (q = -3, p = -3), (q = -4, p = -2) are possible pairs (and many more). Again, we don't know whether p is greater or q so not sufficient. Using both together, we know that the difference between p and q is 2 and if q is greater than p, it is less than 1 greater than p. Since the difference between them is 2, q cannot be greater than p so p must be greater than q. We can say that "No. p is not less than q." Hence sufficient. Answer (C)
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rxs0005 wrote: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1
(1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2. (2) q - p < 1 st. (1) the +ve difference = |p-q| = 2 implies p-q > 0 or p-q < 0 if p-q > 0 then p>q then p/q> 1 But if p-q < 0 then p<q or p/q cannot be greater than 1 anyway st. (1) gives two options which leads "insufficient" st. (2) q-p<1 (this could be p-q < -1 which mean p-q> -1 ) implies q-p = 0 or q-p is -ve if q-p=0then p/q > 1 is not possible But if q-p is -ve then it gives different values of p and q which says both - p/q>1 or p/q<1 however st.(2) insufficient Combining together st. (1) and st. (2) p-q > -1 and p-q =2 implies p>q or we can say p/q>1 Sufficient hope i got it correct frm bunnel and karishma
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rxs0005 wrote: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1
(1) The positive diff erence between p and q is 2. (2) q - p < 1 st. (1) the +ve difference = |p-q| = 2 implies p-q > 0 or p-q < 0 if p-q > 0 then p>q then p/q> 1 But if p-q < 0 then p<q or p/q cannot be greater than 1 anyway st. (1) gives two options which leads "insufficient" |p-q| = 2 gives you two cases: Either p-q = 2 or q-p = 2 We do not know whether p is smaller than q.st. (2) q-p<1 (this could be p-q < -1 which mean p-q> -1 ) q-p < 1 is the same as p-q > -1 (when you multiply both sides by -1) implies q-p = 0 or q-p is -ve if q-p=0then p/q > 1 is not possible But if q-p is -ve then it gives different values of p and q which says both - p/q>1 or p/q<1 however st.(2) insufficient If q-p<1, q could be greater or p could be greater. So we again cannot figure whether p is smaller than q Combining together st. (1) and st. (2) p-q > -1 and p-q =2 implies p>q or we can say p/q>1 Sufficient Combining, stmnt 1 tells us that either p-q = 2 or q-p = 2. Stmnt 2 tells us that q-p<1. Hence q-p cannot be 2. Therefore, p-q must be 2. p must be greater than q. We know that p is greater so p/q is not greater than 1 (since p and q are both negative) Answer (C).
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Re: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1 (1) The positive [#permalink]
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Guess this is a 700+ level problem. Anyway, excellent explanation Karishma
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i was able to solve but within 3 minutes.... how to solve this question in less than 2 min.
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Re: If p and q are negative, is p / q > 1 (1) The positive [#permalink]
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Luckily I went for the diagram and was able to do it in under 2 minutes. Draw a line with 0 in the middle. p and q are both to the left of 0. We only know this much. We don't know their position with respect to 0, i. e we don't know whether q or p is closer to 0 or even whether p and q are the same number, both negative. Question asks whether p/q>1 meaning is p more negative than q? This suggests that the question is about the position of p and q with respect to each other and 0. 1. the positive difference between them is 2 suggests that the distance between p and q is 2 units. this only tells us the distance and not which one is more negative than the other. Not Sufficient. 2. q-p<1 suggests that the difference between the two is less than 1. but their degree of negativity is not clear. by itself, this statement points to the possibility that q and p may be the same number; -2-(-2)=0<1, or one of them could be slightly more negative and still have satisfy q-p<1. so Not Sufficient. when you take 1 and 2 together, the possibility that the two are the same number is eliminated because 1 says that the two numbers are 2 units apart. so now, the number line will have p and q standing at 2 units apart and based on statement 2, q has to be more negative than p. Hence C. vikram4689 wrote: i was able to solve but within 3 minutes.... how to solve this question in less than 2 min.
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