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If instead, Q were a square, would 1 be sufficient?

In a rectangle, why can't we use the Isosceles Triangle to figure out the third side since the diagonals bisect each other?
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If instead, Q were a square, would 1 be sufficient?

In a rectangle, why can't we use the Isosceles Triangle to figure out the third side since the diagonals bisect each other?


If we were told that Q is a square instead of a rectangle, then the answer would be D.

As for the second question: can you please explain what you mean? Generally you cannot find the sides of a rectangle just knowing the length of its diagonal, since knowing the length of hypotenuse (diagonal) in a right triangle (created by length and width), is not enough to find the legs of it (length and width).

Hope it's clear.
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I'm sorry I'm still not seeing how this is not answer "A". I understand the logic at arriving at answer "C", I just don't understand why you NEED to combine statements "1" and "2", contradicts my entire understanding of Data Sufficiency logic.

A rectangle is comprised of 4 right angles, no?

So ultimately the "diagonal" represents the hypotenuse forming two right triangles, no?

Can you form a right triangle with a hypotenuse of 10 with any other legs besides 6 and 8? Or do I have that wrong?

(pythagorean triplet (3, 4, 5) , (6, 8, 10))
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I'm sorry I'm still not seeing how this is not answer "A". I understand the logic at arriving at answer "C", I just don't understand why you NEED to combine statements "1" and "2", contradicts my entire understanding of Data Sufficiency logic.

A rectangle is comprised of 4 right angles, no?

So ultimately the "diagonal" represents the hypotenuse forming two right triangles, no?

Can you form a right triangle with a hypotenuse of 10 with any other legs besides 6 and 8? Or do I have that wrong?

(pythagorean triplet (3, 4, 5) , (6, 8, 10))



Hi Kellygrad05,

There was a similar problem I was attempting yesterday on the forum.

Basically we are told that it is a rectangle but we aren't sure if the sides are Integers or not. For ex.

Diagonal-10, sides can be 6 and 8 (because of PT) or something like Square root 99 and 1...and such other combination

When you consider the st2 with above then we can figure out sides will be 6 and 8 as only in that condition Area will be 48 and Diagonal as 10.

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I'm sorry I'm still not seeing how this is not answer "A". I understand the logic at arriving at answer "C", I just don't understand why you NEED to combine statements "1" and "2", contradicts my entire understanding of Data Sufficiency logic.

A rectangle is comprised of 4 right angles, no?

So ultimately the "diagonal" represents the hypotenuse forming two right triangles, no?

Can you form a right triangle with a hypotenuse of 10 with any other legs besides 6 and 8? Or do I have that wrong?

(pythagorean triplet (3, 4, 5) , (6, 8, 10))


A right triangle with hypotenuse 10, doesn't mean that we have (6, 8, 10) right triangle. If we are told that the lengths of all sides are integers, then yes: the only integer solution for right triangle with hypotenuse 10 would be (6, 8, 10).

To check this: consider the right triangle with hypotenuse 10 inscribed in circle. We know that a right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s side, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So ANY point on circumference of a circle with diameter of 10 would make the right triangle with diameter. Not necessarily sides to be 6 and 8. For example we can have isosceles right triangle, which would be 45-45-90: and the sides would be \(\frac{10}{\sqrt{2}}\). OR if we have 30-60-90 triangle and hypotenuse is \(10\), sides would be \(5\) and \(5*\sqrt{3}\). Of course there could be many other combinations.

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I did not use the math way this is how I did it

it is given that 2L +2w= the perimeter of a rectangle
1. each diagnal of a rectangle is length of 10 which makes the rectangle in half so it cant, but just know the triangle height
= not sufficient
2. the area of a rectangle is 48 so l*w= area not sufficent

both will tell us 2 equations and can find the length an width to get p so it is C
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The question asks us to figure out the PERIMETER of rectangle Q. For that, we'll need the length (L) and width (W) of the rectangle.

1) Each diagonal of rectangle Q has length 10.

From this Fact, we can create one equation:

L^2 + W^2 = 10^2

Unfortunately, there are lots of different values for L and W here (and most of them are non-integers), so there are lots of possible perimeters. Here are two possibilities:
L = 6, W = 8... Perimeter = 28
L = 1, W = (Root99)... Perimeters = 2 + 2(Root99)
Fact 1 is INSUFFICIENT

2) The area of rectangle Q is 48.

From this Fact, we can create one equation:

(L)(W) = 48

Again though, there are lots of different values for L and W here, so there are lots of possible perimeters. Here are two possibilities:
L = 6, W = 8... Perimeter = 28
L = 1, W = 48... Perimeter = 98
Fact 2 is INSUFFICIENT

Combined, we know...
L^2 + W^2 = 10^2
(L)(W) = 48

We have a 'system' of equations here - two variables and two unique equations. Since rectangles cannot have "negative sides", there's just one solution to this system (and it happens to be 6 and 8, although you don't have to do that work).
Combined, SUFFICIENT

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That's exactly right. There are infinitely many right triangles with hypotenuse 10. For instance, sqrt(13), sqrt(87), 10.
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i chose answer A since this is a rectangle and the diagonal will bisect the right angles, forming 45-45-90 triangle with sides ratios of 1:1:root 2.
using Pythagorean theory , we can get the value of both sides

what did i do wrong here ?
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i chose answer A since this is a rectangle and the diagonal will bisect the right angles, forming 45-45-90 triangle with sides ratios of 1:1:root 2.
using Pythagorean theory , we can get the value of both sides

what did i do wrong here ?


The diagonals of a rectangle bisect the angle if and only the rectangle is a square. Generally, a diagonal of a rectangle can form any angle with the adjacent sides from 0 to 90, not inclusive.
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Given:

    • The perimeter of the rectangle Q = p


Working out:

We need to find out the value of p

Statement 1:

Each diagonal of the rectangle Q has length 10

Let us assume that the length of the rectangle Q is l, and the breadth of the rectangle Q is b.

From this statement, we can infer that \(\sqrt{l^2 + b^2}\) = 10

    • Squaring both the sides of the equation, we get \(l^2 + b^2 = 100\)

      o There can be more than one possible combination of l and b.

      o And hence, the sum of l and b is not unique.

Thus, Statement 1 alone is not sufficient to answer this question.

Statement 2:

Area of the rectangle Q is 48 units.

Let us assume that the length of the rectangle Q is l, and the breadth of the rectangle Q is b.

Thus, \(l*b = 48\)

There can be more than one combination of l and b: (6,8), (12, 4), etc. and the values of p will not be unique.

Thus, statement 2 alone is not sufficient to answer this question.

Combining both the statement:

From statement 1, we have \(l^2 + b^2 = 100\)

From statement 2, we have \(l*b = 48\)

    • \((l+b)^2 = l^2 + b^2 + 2l*b\)

    • Or, \((l+b)^2 = 100 + 96\)

    • Or, \((l+b)^2 = 196\)

    • Or, \((l+b) = 14\) units.

From here, we can calculate the value of p.

Thus, combining both the statements, we got our answer.

Answer: Option C
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