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If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, what is the value of x?

(1) The greatest common factor of x and y is 56.
(2) y = 168
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Re: GCF LCM DS [#permalink]  03 Dec 2010, 18:12
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If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, what is the value of x?

(1) The greatest common factor of x and y is 56.
(2) y = 168

Remember a property of LCM and GCF:
If x and y are two positive integers, LCM * GCF = x* y
Stmnt 1: Just the GCF will give you the product of the two numbers. Not their individual values.
Stmnt 2: Knowing the value of y and LCM is not sufficient to get x.
x could be 840 or 105 or 5 etc.

Using both together, you get x = 840*56/168 = 280
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Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for $199 Veritas Prep Reviews Manager Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 169 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 37 [0], given: 7 Re: GCF LCM DS [#permalink] 03 Dec 2010, 19:09 VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: rxs0005 wrote: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, what is the value of x? (1) The greatest common factor of x and y is 56. (2) y = 168 Remember a property of LCM and GCF: If x and y are two positive integers, LCM * GCF = x* y Stmnt 1: Just the GCF will give you the product of the two numbers. Not their individual values. Stmnt 2: Knowing the value of y and LCM is not sufficient to get x. x could be 840 or 105 or 5 etc. Using both together, you get x = 840*56/168 = 280 Answer (C). Karishma is this a known property? I have never ran across it before? I am not sure I understand why it works either. Can you please explain? Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 5853 Location: Pune, India Followers: 1480 Kudos [?]: 7955 [3] , given: 190 Re: GCF LCM DS [#permalink] 04 Dec 2010, 06:08 3 This post received KUDOS Expert's post gettinit wrote: VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: rxs0005 wrote: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, what is the value of x? (1) The greatest common factor of x and y is 56. (2) y = 168 Remember a property of LCM and GCF: If x and y are two positive integers, LCM * GCF = x* y Stmnt 1: Just the GCF will give you the product of the two numbers. Not their individual values. Stmnt 2: Knowing the value of y and LCM is not sufficient to get x. x could be 840 or 105 or 5 etc. Using both together, you get x = 840*56/168 = 280 Answer (C). Karishma is this a known property? I have never ran across it before? I am not sure I understand why it works either. Can you please explain? It is taught at school (though curriculums across the world vary) Let us take an example to see why this works: $$x = 60 = 2^2 * 3 * 5$$ $$y = 126 = 2*3^2*7$$ Now GCF here will be $$6 (= 2*3)$$ (because that is all that is common to x and y) LCM will be whatever is common taken once and the remaining i.e. $$(2*3) * 2*5 * 3*7$$ When you multiply GCF with LCM, you get $$(2*3) * (2*3 *2*5 * 3*7)$$ i.e. whatever is common comes twice and everything else that the two numbers had. I can re-arrange this product to write it as $$(2*3 * 2*5) * (2*3 * 3*7)$$ i.e. 60*126 This is the product of the two numbers. Since GCF has what is common to them and LCM has what is common to them written once and everything else, GCF and LCM will always multiply to give the two numbers. Can you now think what will happen in case of 3 numbers? _________________ Karishma Veritas Prep | GMAT Instructor My Blog Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for$199

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Re: GCF LCM DS [#permalink]  04 Dec 2010, 06:17
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If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, what is the value of x?

(1) The greatest common factor of x and y is 56.
(2) y = 168

The property Karishma used is often tested on GMAT. So, it's a must know property:
for any positive integers $$x$$ and $$y$$, $$x*y=GCD(x,y)*LCM(x,y)$$.

xy-a-multiple-of-102540.html?hilit=most%20important#p797667
data-sufficiency-problem-95872.html?hilit=most%20important#p737970

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Re: GCF LCM DS [#permalink]  04 Dec 2010, 09:12
Thank you Karishma, makes sense. If I use three numbers I don't think this property will work based on the following example:

36 - 2^2*3^2
90 - 2*5*3^2
72- 2^3 * 3^2

GCF - 2*3^2 = 18
LCM - 2^3*3^2*5 = 360

so gcf*lcm=360*18=6480 which does not equal 36*90*72.

Bunuel thanks for the examples, helpful in reinforcing.
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Re: GCF LCM DS [#permalink]  04 Dec 2010, 13:03
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Thank you Karishma, makes sense. If I use three numbers I don't think this property will work based on the following example:

36 - 2^2*3^2
90 - 2*5*3^2
72- 2^3 * 3^2

GCF - 2*3^2 = 18
LCM - 2^3*3^2*5 = 360

so gcf*lcm=360*18=6480 which does not equal 36*90*72.

Bunuel thanks for the examples, helpful in reinforcing.

Yes, that's right. It works only for two numbers.
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Re: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, [#permalink]  18 Jun 2014, 22:39
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
rxs0005 wrote:
If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, what is the value of x?

(1) The greatest common factor of x and y is 56.
(2) y = 168

Remember a property of LCM and GCF:
If x and y are two positive integers, LCM * GCF = x* y
Stmnt 1: Just the GCF will give you the product of the two numbers. Not their individual values.
Stmnt 2: Knowing the value of y and LCM is not sufficient to get x.
x could be 840 or 105 or 5 etc.

Using both together, you get x = 840*56/168 = 280

Hi Karishma,

Stmnt 2: if we know the value of y, and the least common multiple, i can't think of another number that X could be other than 5.
Can you give an example?
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Re: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, [#permalink]  18 Jun 2014, 22:50
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Hi Karishma,

Stmnt 2: if we know the value of y, and the least common multiple, i can't think of another number that X could be other than 5.
Can you give an example?

I have given some values that x can take from statement 2 - "x could be 840 or 105 or 5 etc"
Note that we don't know the value of GCF from stmnt 2 alone. Hence, x could take many different values. Only when we know the GCF too, can we find the value of x.
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Re: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, [#permalink]  18 Jun 2015, 21:41
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ronr34 wrote:

Hi Karishma,

Stmnt 2: if we know the value of y, and the least common multiple, i can't think of another number that X could be other than 5.
Can you give an example?

I have given some values that x can take from statement 2 - "x could be 840 or 105 or 5 etc"
Note that we don't know the value of GCF from stmnt 2 alone. Hence, x could take many different values. Only when we know the GCF too, can we find the value of x.

Hi Karishma:

Can you please help me understand how can one find other numbers of x whose LCM will 840?
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Re: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, [#permalink]  18 Jun 2015, 22:52
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
ronr34 wrote:

Hi Karishma,

Stmnt 2: if we know the value of y, and the least common multiple, i can't think of another number that X could be other than 5.
Can you give an example?

I have given some values that x can take from statement 2 - "x could be 840 or 105 or 5 etc"
Note that we don't know the value of GCF from stmnt 2 alone. Hence, x could take many different values. Only when we know the GCF too, can we find the value of x.

Hi Karishma:

Can you please help me understand how can one find other numbers of x whose LCM will 840?

Hello raj4ueclerx.
Here is nice thread exclusively about finding LCM and GCF
having-issues-with-finding-lcm-and-gcf-can-someone-help-146965.html
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Re: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, [#permalink]  19 Jun 2015, 00:13
Thanks for the suggestion....but I am still unable to find...How to come up with various values of X given that LCM(x, Y=168) = 840. Can some one please help me or show me the reverse calculation to derive x?
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Re: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, [#permalink]  19 Jun 2015, 02:42
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Thanks for the suggestion....but I am still unable to find...How to come up with various values of X given that LCM(x, Y=168) = 840. Can some one please help me or show me the reverse calculation to derive x?

Hello raj4ueclerx

at first you should find all primes in both numbers
168 = 2*2*2*3*7
840 = 2*2*2*3*5*7

So we see that 840 has 5 as prime and 168 not. This number is only difference between 168 and 840
so any number that equal to product of this numbers 2, 2, 2, 3, 5, 7 (any combination that include 5) will give as LCM = 840 with number 168
for example
2*5 = 10 LCM (10, 168) = 840
3*5 = 15 LCM (15, 168) = 840
2*2*2*5 = 40 LCM (40, 168) = 840
and so on

Does that makes sense?
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Re: If the least common multiple of integers x and y is 840, [#permalink]  19 Jun 2015, 03:45
at first you should find all primes in both numbers
168 = 2*2*2*3*7
840 = 2*2*2*3*5*7

So we see that 840 has 5 as prime and 168 not. This number is only difference between 168 and 840
so any number that equal to product of this numbers 2, 2, 2, 3, 5, 7 (any combination that include 5) will give as LCM = 840 with number 168
for example
2*5 = 10 LCM (10, 168) = 840
3*5 = 15 LCM (15, 168) = 840
2*2*2*5 = 40 LCM (40, 168) = 840
and so on

Does that makes sense?[/quote]

Million thanks ...this helps
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