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B encloses a region where the altitude value will give the area range.
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Re: Urgent help required [#permalink] New post 19 May 2011, 13:49
Useful formula "in any right angle triangle, the square of the altitude to the hypotenuse is equal to the product of two sectors it creates on hypotenuse"
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Some useful properties of right triangles [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2012, 09:22
Re (2): there are some properties of right triangles which can be useful.
Please, refer to the attached drawing.

All three right triangles (the large one ABC and the two small ones, ABD and ADC) are similar (it can be easily seen that their angles are congruent).

From the similarity of the triangles ABD and CBA we obtain:
\frac{AB}{BC}=\frac{BD}{AB}, from which it follows that AB^2=BD*BC.
Similarly, using the similar triangles ACD and BCA, we get that AC^2=DC*BC.
We can call it the "leg property", as it expresses the leg of the right triangle in terms of its projection to the hypotenuse and the hypotenuse itself.

In our case, using the above property, we can find the two legs of the right triangle being \sqrt{5} = \sqrt{1*5} and 2\sqrt{5}=\sqrt{4*5}.
Then the height of the right triangle is \frac{\sqrt{5}*2\sqrt{5}}{5}=2 <--- leg * leg / hypotenuse.

But there is another useful property of the right triangle, which helps us find directly the height if we know the two projections of the legs to the hypotenuse.
This property was already mentioned by "bellcurve".
Using the similarity of the triangles ABD and CAD, we can write \frac{AD}{DC}=\frac{BD}{AD}, from which AD^2=BD*DC.
So, in our case, the height of the right triangle is \sqrt{1*4}=2.
We can call this the "height property".

Well, we used to call the above properties "The leg Theorem" and "The height Theorem" back then in Romania. Although I have a PhD in Applied Math, I learned the above stuff in junior high. What I have learned during my graduate studies, cannot really help on the GMAT :O)
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 03:31
Hi Bunuel / Karishma -

Can you please confirm whether the below solution is OK?

For any triangle the max area is can be got by for a equilateral triangle.
For any right angled triangle the max area can be got by forming an isosceles triangle.

Since statement B says the triangle is 90* degree triangle and we have the longest length (5) we can check what the max are will be?

isosceles triangle is in the ratio x : x : xroot2
so sides are in the ratio 5/root2 5/root2 and 5
Max area can be 1/2 (5 / root2) * (5 / root 2) = 6.25 (but this answer is not matching with Bunuel's). This will be the max area for any right angled triangle with the hypotenuse of 5.....

Similarly to get the max area of the rectangle we need the smallest perimeter and vice-versa!
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 04:08
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Hi Bunuel / Karishma -

Can you please confirm whether the below solution is OK?

For any triangle the max area is can be got by for a equilateral triangle.
For any right angled triangle the max area can be got by forming an isosceles triangle.


Since statement B says the triangle is 90* degree triangle and we have the longest length (5) we can check what the max are will be?

isosceles triangle is in the ratio x : x : xroot2
so sides are in the ratio 5/root2 5/root2 and 5
Max area can be 1/2 (5 / root2) * (5 / root 2) = 6.25 (but this answer is not matching with Bunuel's). This will be the max area for any right angled triangle with the hypotenuse of 5.....

Similarly to get the max area of the rectangle we need the smallest perimeter and vice-versa!


For any triangle the max area is can be got by for a equilateral triangle. - This is not a correct statement. You can have a "tiny" equilateral triangle or a "huge" right or any other triangle. The correct statement is "For a given perimeter, the maximum area is that of an equilateral triangle."

The second statement isn't correct either:
For any right angled triangle the max area can be got by forming an isosceles triangle.
I think what you meant is "For a right triangle inscribed in a given circle (which means given constant diameter), the maximum area is that of an isosceles right triangle."

For the given question, in fact we don't have to go the either of the above properties.
Lets' denote by B the point with the coordinates (-1,0) and by C the point with the coordinates (4,0).
Since BC lies on the X-axis and A is on the Y-axis, the area of the triangle ABC is given by Base*Height/2, which in this case is 5*Lenght of OA/2, regardles whether A is above or below the X-axis (A or A_1 in the attached drawing). So, the area of triangle ABC is 5*A/2, where A is the length of OA (consider A>0). Therefore, the question in fact is "Is 5A/2>15?" or"Is A>6?"

(1) Not sufficient, as A_1 can be below -6, in which case A>6, but if A is above 0 and below 3, obviously the area is less than 15.
(2) If the triangle ABC is a right triangle, then necessarily \angle{BAC} is a right angle and BC is the diameter of the circle in which this triangle can be inscribed. Even if the triangle is isosceles, the height AO cannot be greater than the radius of the circle AO_1, which is 5/2. So, A is definitely smaller than 6.
Sufficient.

Answer B.
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 04:50
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Jp27 wrote:
Hi Bunuel / Karishma -

Can you please confirm whether the below solution is OK?

For any triangle the max area is can be got by for a equilateral triangle.
For any right angled triangle the max area can be got by forming an isosceles triangle.


Since statement B says the triangle is 90* degree triangle and we have the longest length (5) we can check what the max are will be?

isosceles triangle is in the ratio x : x : xroot2
so sides are in the ratio 5/root2 5/root2 and 5
Max area can be 1/2 (5 / root2) * (5 / root 2) = 6.25 (but this answer is not matching with Bunuel's). This will be the max area for any right angled triangle with the hypotenuse of 5.....

Similarly to get the max area of the rectangle we need the smallest perimeter and vice-versa!


For the given question, in fact we don't have to go the either of the above properties.
Lets' denote by B the point with the coordinates (-1,0) and by C the point with the coordinates (4,0).
Since BC lies on the X-axis and A is on the Y-axis, the area of the triangle ABC is given by Base*Height/2, which in this case is 5*Lenght of OA/2, regardles whether A is above or below the X-axis (A or A_1 in the attached drawing). So, the area of triangle ABC is 5*A/2, where A is the length of OA (consider A>0). Therefore, the question in fact is "Is 5A/2>15?" or"Is A>6?"

(1) Not sufficient, as A_1 can be below -6, in which case A>6, but if A is above 0 and below 3, obviously the area is less than 15.
(2) If the triangle ABC is a right triangle, then necessarily \angle{BAC} is a right angle and BC is the diameter of the circle in which this triangle can be inscribed. Even if the triangle is isosceles, the height AO cannot be greater than the radius of the circle AO_1, which is 5/2. So, A is definitely smaller than 6.
Sufficient.

Answer B.


Great Explanation EvaJager. I completely get it now.

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For any triangle the max area is can be got by for a equilateral triangle. - This is not a correct statement. You can have a "tiny" equilateral triangle or a "huge" right or any other triangle. The correct statement is "For a given perimeter, the maximum area is that of an equilateral triangle."

The second statement isn't correct either:
For any right angled triangle the max area can be got by forming an isosceles triangle.
I think what you meant is "For a right triangle inscribed in a given circle (which means given constant diameter), the maximum area is that of an isosceles right triangle."


And yes I didn't phrase it correctly. What i meant was exactly this... "For given fixed perimeter the maximum area is that of an equilateral triangle"

ANd for the 2nd one -> The right triangle with the largest area will be an isosceles right triangle (where both the base and height are of equal length).
Therefore, given the length of longest leg = 5, we can determine the largest possible area of triangle ABC by making it an isosceles right triangle

I hope the above is correct.
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 05:32
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EvaJager wrote:
Jp27 wrote:
Hi Bunuel / Karishma -

Can you please confirm whether the below solution is OK?

For any triangle the max area is can be got by for a equilateral triangle.
For any right angled triangle the max area can be got by forming an isosceles triangle.


Since statement B says the triangle is 90* degree triangle and we have the longest length (5) we can check what the max are will be?

isosceles triangle is in the ratio x : x : xroot2
so sides are in the ratio 5/root2 5/root2 and 5
Max area can be 1/2 (5 / root2) * (5 / root 2) = 6.25 (but this answer is not matching with Bunuel's). This will be the max area for any right angled triangle with the hypotenuse of 5.....

Similarly to get the max area of the rectangle we need the smallest perimeter and vice-versa!


For the given question, in fact we don't have to go the either of the above properties.
Lets' denote by B the point with the coordinates (-1,0) and by C the point with the coordinates (4,0).
Since BC lies on the X-axis and A is on the Y-axis, the area of the triangle ABC is given by Base*Height/2, which in this case is 5*Lenght of OA/2, regardles whether A is above or below the X-axis (A or A_1 in the attached drawing). So, the area of triangle ABC is 5*A/2, where A is the length of OA (consider A>0). Therefore, the question in fact is "Is 5A/2>15?" or"Is A>6?"

(1) Not sufficient, as A_1 can be below -6, in which case A>6, but if A is above 0 and below 3, obviously the area is less than 15.
(2) If the triangle ABC is a right triangle, then necessarily \angle{BAC} is a right angle and BC is the diameter of the circle in which this triangle can be inscribed. Even if the triangle is isosceles, the height AO cannot be greater than the radius of the circle AO_1, which is 5/2. So, A is definitely smaller than 6.
Sufficient.

Answer B.


Great Explanation EvaJager. I completely get it now.

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For any triangle the max area is can be got by for a equilateral triangle. - This is not a correct statement. You can have a "tiny" equilateral triangle or a "huge" right or any other triangle. The correct statement is "For a given perimeter, the maximum area is that of an equilateral triangle."

The second statement isn't correct either:
For any right angled triangle the max area can be got by forming an isosceles triangle.
I think what you meant is "For a right triangle inscribed in a given circle (which means given constant diameter), the maximum area is that of an isosceles right triangle."


And yes I didn't phrase it correctly. What i meant was exactly this... "For given fixed perimeter the maximum area is that of an equilateral triangle"

ANd for the 2nd one -> The right triangle with the largest area will be an isosceles right triangle (where both the base and height are of equal length).
Therefore, given the length of longest leg = 5, we can determine the largest possible area of triangle ABC by making it an isosceles right triangle

I hope the above is correct.


ANd for the 2nd one -> The right triangle with the largest area will be an isosceles right triangle (where both the base and height are of equal length).
In our case, not correct. Or rather, not clearly formulated. BC can be only the hypotenuse of the right triangle, as A must be on the Y-axis. So, we cannot have an isosceles right triangle with both legs 5. If A is not on the Y-axis, with no other restrictions, the area can be as large as we wish.
In this case, the right triangle is uniquely determined (except its mirror image), because the diameter is fixed. A must be at the intersection point of the circle with the Y-axis.
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2012, 13:16
If an altitude (from the vertex opposite the hypotenuse) divides the hypotenuse in the ratio p:q then the
altitude= (p*q)^1/2 i.e. the square root of p*q.
Applying to the question above A= (1*4)^1/2 = 2 Hence, area will be smaller than 15. Hence, B is sufficient.
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 02 Jan 2013, 05:56
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If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), and (0,A) , is the area of the triangle greater than 15 ?

1. A < 3

2. The triangle is right

Hello friends, I solved this problem but I have a doubt. if we know that triangle is right triangle and hypotenus is 5, can we always safely assume other two sides as 3, 4 without knowing whether other sides are integer or not.
Please help me i have my test 4 days away. Thanks.


Another approach to solve this question:
Since the area of the triangle is 1/2( Base * Perpendicular height), therefore the question can be interpreted as IS A>6?
#Base=5,
# questionable area=15
Hence IS \frac{(5*A)}{2}> 15?
or IS A>6?

Statement 1 is clearly insufficient as A can be 1 or -100.

Staement 2 is sufficient because its given that vertex at y-axis forms a right angle. Hence the base is the hypotenuese. Now if we draw a circle in such a way that (0,A) is at the circle, then the radius will be 2.5. Anything beyond 2.5 units from the centre of the circle will not form the right angle. Hence A is always less than 2.5 units from the centre of the circle.
Sufficient.
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2013, 22:15
1/2*5*|A| > 15 ?
=> A>6 or A<-6?

B is sufficient
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2013, 21:36
Here's a simple way to calculate the area .. in case anybody is interested..

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I thought of the problem in a more simple way, but I'm not sure if its the right thought process...

Basically when I assessed statement 2 I took given that the hypotenuse of the triangle was 5. This means that regardless of what the other 2 sides are, both must be less than 5. So even if the sides were let's say 4.9 * 4.9 ...the multiplication of these two values divided by 2 is always going to give a value less than 15 (especially since 5*5= 25/2 is less than 15).

Bad thought process?
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2013, 01:35
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I thought of the problem in a more simple way, but I'm not sure if its the right thought process...

Basically when I assessed statement 2 I took given that the hypotenuse of the triangle was 5. This means that regardless of what the other 2 sides are, both must be less than 5. So even if the sides were let's say 4.9 * 4.9 ...the multiplication of these two values divided by 2 is always going to give a value less than 15 (especially since 5*5= 25/2 is less than 15).

Bad thought process?


Certainly not! The thought process is perfectly fine. In fact, it's quite good.
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Re: If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), [#permalink] New post 12 Mar 2013, 00:19
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If vertices of a triangle have coordinates (-1,0), (4,0), and (0,A) , is the area of the triangle greater than 15 ?

1. A < 3

2. The triangle is right


If you plot the given points, we have a a triangle with area as \frac{1}{2}*5*A.

From F.S 1, we have A<3. As A is any point on the y-axis, we can have A = 1, and then the area would be less than 15. However, we can also have A = -8 and that would make the area more than 15. Insufficient.

From F.S 2, we know that the triangle is a right angle triangle. Thus, it can only be at the point(0,A). The slope between the points (-1,0) and (0,A) = A = m1

Slope between the point (0,A) and (4,0) = A/-4 = m2.

m1*m2 = A^2/-4= -1. Thus, A = 2 or -2. In any case, we can answer the question. Sufficient.
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