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Re: Ineq + absolute values [#permalink]
14 May 2010, 21:40
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2) x! is always positive [highlight]so adding this to |y| will increase y thus x > y so |x| > |y|[/highlight] Sufficient So IMO answer should be B
I'm curious how you can say which one of x or y is greater. Does this statement not just say that x,y>0. So should the answer not be (C). Please correct me if/where i'm wrong. _________________
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Re: Ineq + absolute values [#permalink]
15 May 2010, 08:33
Just to give it a try, while waiting for Bunuel...
stmt 1
If x=0, y=-1, stmt 1 is satisfied, and |x|<|y| If x=1, y=0, stmt 1 is satisfied, and |x|>|y|
not sufficient
stmt 2
If we consider x^y=x! + |y| and we plug in y=0, we get two solutions:
x=0 (since 0^0=1 and 0!=1) x=1 (since 1^0=1 and 1!=1)
So we have y=0, x=0 >>>> |x|=|y| but we also have y=0, x=1 >>>> |x|>|y|
(if you try with y=2, you will get x=2, so |x|=|y| again)
not sufficient
stmt 1 + stmt 2
The only acceptable solution that satisfies both stmt 1 and 2 is y=0, x=1
If you try to plug in stmt 2 other values for x and y that satisfy stmt 1 (eg, x=2, y=1; x=3, y=2; x=5, y=4), you'll see that there are no other acceptable solutions.
Re: Ineq + absolute values [#permalink]
30 Jun 2010, 22:54
ii. x^y = x! + |y|
x! and |y| are both integers, so x! + |y| is also integer, therefore x^y must be integer, which means y must be greater or equal zero so as not to make x^y a fraction. Now knowing that x,y are integers greater than or equal zero, we need to find the value of x,y for which the equation is true. I can only find x=2 y=2 that satisfy the equation, which gives me a B
Statement1: First, recall that |a+b|<=|a|+|b|, therefore |x|=|y+1|<=|y|+1 meaning that |x| is either equal to |y|+1 or inferior to |y|+1 then NOT SUFFICIENT
Statement 2: as x! is used, hence x>=0 if x=0, then y=0, since 0^0 is not accepted, then x>0 if y=0, then x^0=x!+0, or x=1, therefore |x|>|y| if y=1, then x^1=x!+1, there is no solution of x if y=2, then x^2=x!+2, or x=2, therefore |x|=|y| then NOT SUFFICIENT _________________
(1) If Y is negative, X<Y. If Y is positive or zero, X>Y. (but at least we know they're both integers) (2) We know X! is always positive and b/c both X&Y are both integers, Y cannot be negative (since anything raised to a negative power, besides 1 or zero, is a non-integer. We can also know that X,Y cannot be 0,1 (b/c you get 0 on the left and 1 on the right), X,Y cannot be 1,1. X,Y CAN be 1,0. We found out that Y & X must both be positive or X,Y is 1,0. We can't say for sure which is larger. NOT SUFFICIENT
Using both we see that b/c Y is positive or zero, X>Y. So I choose C. Let me know if someone catches something I missed - first post.
I will go with C. As per (1) |x|=|y+1|. If y is positive or zero then |x|>|y| If y is negative then |x|<|y|. So not sufficient.
As per 2 x! is used so x>=0 x!+|y|>=0 and is an integer.So x^y can't be a fraction which means y>=0 But x=1 y=0 and x=2 y=2 produces different results. So not sufficient
Combining 1 and 2 As per 2, x and y both have to be positive So 1 can be re-written as x= y+1 Which means x > y and |x|>|y| as both are positive. So sufficient _________________
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Re: Ineq + absolute values [#permalink]
08 Aug 2010, 20:51
I was surprises when I read 0 ^ 0 = 1. So I went and check with my best Friend Google. Typed 0 ^ 0 and google returned 1. So I think 0 ^ 0 = 1. _________________
Re: Ineq + absolute values [#permalink]
09 Aug 2010, 02:04
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I was reluctant to reply to this question for a long time because I don't like it all.
First of all: \(0^0\), in some sources equals to 1, some mathematicians say it's undefined. Anyway you won't need this for GMAT as the case of 0^0 is not tested on the GMAT.
Second: GMAT would give some constraints for unknowns in the stem (or at leas in second statement), for example:
As there is \(x!\) in statement (2) then in the stem (or at leas in second statement) GMAT most likely would specify that \(x\geq{0}\) as factorial of negative number is undefined;
Also as there is \(x^y\) in statement (2) then in the stem (or at leas in second statement) GMAT most likely would also specify that \(x\) and \(y\) can not be zero simultaneously as 0^0 is not tested on the GMAT.
So either we would have A. \(x\geq{0}\) and \(y\neq{0}\) OR B. \(x>0\).
If we place these constraint in the stem the question will be completely changed (no need for |x| in the stem and statement 1.) so we should place either of them them in statement 2.
So the question could be for example:
If \(x\) and \(y\) are integers, is \(|x|>|y|\)?
(1) \(|x| = |y+1|\). Clearly insufficient.
(2) \(x>{0}\) and \(x^y = x! + |y|\) --> if \(x=2\) and \(y=2\) then answer is NO but if \(x=1\) and \(y=0\) then answer is YES. Not sufficient.
(1)+(2) Only one solution \(x=1\) and \(y=0\). Sufficient.
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