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If x and y are integers such that (x+1)^2 less than equal to 36 and (y-1)^2 less than 64. What is the largest possible and minimum possible value of xy. In equalities how to handle an expression which is squared
Does the above equation
(x+1)^2 <= 36 mean |x+1| < (+6 or -6)
I then get 4 equations.. and I am am not able to proceed. Can you someone please explain how such questions are to be handled. |
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gmatrant wrote: If x and y are integers such that (x+1)^2 less than equal to 36 and (y-1)^2 less than 64.
What is the largest possible and minimum possible value of xy.
In equalities how to handle an expression which is squared
Does the above equation
(x+1)^2 <= 36 mean |x+1| < (+6 or -6)
I then get 4 equations.. and I am am not able to proceed. Can you someone please explain how such questions are to be handled. You need to brush up quant fundamentals. Buy Mgmat number properties and inequalities book. (x+1)^2 <= 36x+1 <= 6 , -(x+1) <= 6 when -ve is multiplied, inequality is reversed. Multiply -1 on both the sides x+1 <= 6 , x+1 >= -6x =< 5 , x >= -7|x+1| can never be < -6 as it is always non-negative.
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can someone please help with this entire problem?
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gmatrant wrote: If x and y are integers such that (x+1)^2 less than equal to 36 and (y-1)^2 less than 64.
What is the largest possible and minimum possible value of xy.
In equalities how to handle an expression which is squared
Does the above equation
(x+1)^2 <= 36 mean |x+1| < (+6 or -6)
I then get 4 equations.. and I am am not able to proceed. Can you someone please explain how such questions are to be handled. If x and y are integers such that (x+1)^2 less than equal to 36 and (y-1)^2 less than 64. What is the largest possible and minimum possible value of xy.(x+1)^2\leq{36} --> {-\sqrt{36}}\leq{x+1}\leq{\sqrt{36}} --> {-6}\leq{x+1}\leq{6} --> {-7}\leq{x}\leq{5}. (y-1)^2<{64} --> {-\sqrt{64}}<{y-1}<{\sqrt{64}} --> {-8}<{y-1}<{8} --> {-7}<{y}<{9}, as y is an integer we can rewrite this inequality as {-6}\leq{y}\leq{8}. We should try extreme values of x and y to obtain min and max values of xy: Min possible value of xy is for x=-7 and y=8 --> xy=-56; Max possible value of xy is for x=-7 and y=-6 --> xy=42. Solving with absolute values gives the same results: (x+1)^2\leq{36} means |x+1|\leq{6} --> {-7}\leq{x}\leq{5}. (y-1)^2<{64} means |y-1|<{8} --> {-7}<{y}<{9}. Hope it's clear.
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Thanks a lot Bunuel.
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x -7 and 5 y 8 and -7 max = 49 min = -56
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amit2k9 wrote: x -7 and 5
y 8 and -7
max = 49
min = -56 Hi Amit, I think it shud be 42 and not 49..( -7<y<9)
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Hi Bunuel,
" as y is an integer we can rewrite this inequality as -6<= y<=8 ."
I didn't understand as to how can we change the range of y from -7,9 to -6,8 ?
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pallavisatsangi wrote: Hi Bunuel,
" as y is an integer we can rewrite this inequality as -6<= y<=8 ."
I didn't understand as to how can we change the range of y from -7,9 to -6,8 ? We are not changing the range here. We have {-7}<{y}<{9}. Now, since y is an integer, then it can take integer values from -6 to 8, inclusive: -6, -5, ..., 6, 7, 8, which can be written as {-6}\leq{y}\leq{8}. Hope it's clear.
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Ah !! got it now. Thank q so much Bunuel
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Bunuel's attack on the question is obviously by far the best and the least time consuming! However if you are like me (who tries to avoid getting clawed by mods) here is how I did it (a little more time consuming though) (x+1)^2 \leq{36} (x+1)^2 - 36 \leq{0}(x+7)(x-5) \leq{0}roots - -7, 5 Now solving by the graphical approach, range is between (and inclusive of) -7 and 5. Similarly solving for the other equation we get the roots in the range of (exclusive of) -7 and 9. Therefore maximum and minimum value of xy can be derived as others before me have explained. Hope this helps, too!
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Re: If x and y are integers such that (x+1)^2 less than equal to [#permalink]
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 One thing I notice is that you have to be careful with the exclusivity and inclusivity of ranges. In these questions, you will get it wrong if you thought y = 9 is included in the range. |x+1| <= 6This means x is within the range of [-1-6,-1+6] = [-7,5]. This is inclusive of -7 and 5. |y-1|<8This means y is within the range of (1-8,1+8) = (-7,9). This is exclusive of -7 and 9. Now to get the extreme values. Max value or Positive outcomes: -7 * -6 = 42 or 5 * 8 = 40 ==> 42 wins! Min value of Negative outcomes: -7 * 8 = -56 or -6 * 5 = -30 ==> -56 wins!
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