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If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be true?

I. x>y>z
II. z>y>x
III. x>z>y

A. I only
B. I and II only
C. 1 and III only
D. II and III only
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If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be true?

I. x>y>z
II. z>y>x
III. x>z>y

A. I only
B. I and II only
C. I and III only
D. II and III only
E. I, II and II


As this is a COULD be true question then even one set of numbers proving that statement holds true is enough to say that this statement should be part of correct answer choice.

Given: x > y^2 > z^4.

1. x>y>z --> the easiest one: if x=100, y=2 and z=1 --> this set satisfies x > y^2 > z^4 as well as given statement x>y>z. So 1 COULD be true.

2. z>y>x --> we have reverse order than in stem (x > y^2 > z^4), so let's try fractions: if x=\frac{1}{5}, y=\frac{1}{4} and z=\frac{1}{3} then again the stem and this statement hold true. So 2 also COULD be true.

3. x>z>y --> let's make x some big number, let's say 1,000. Next, let's try the fractions for z and y for the same reason as above (reverse order of y and z): y=\frac{1}{3} and z=\frac{1}{2}. The stem and this statement hold true for this set of numbers. So 3 also COULD be true.

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1) x > y2 > z4

which of the following is true:

I x>y>z
II z>y>x
III x>z>y

A) I Only
B) I and II Only
C) I and III Only
D) II and III Only
E) I, II and III


I think the actual question is: Which of the following could be true?

Plugging in numbers work best for such questions. The only thing to keep in mind is that you should plug in the right numbers. How do you know the right numbers?
When I see x > y^2 > z^4, I think that y^2 and z^4 are non negative. Since y^2 > z^4, y^2 cannot be 0. Only z can be 0. x has to be positive. Also, I have to take into account two ranges: 0 to 1 and 1 to infinity. The powers behave differently in these two ranges. I will consider negative numbers only if I have to since with powers, they get confusing to deal with.

The question says: "Which of the following could be true?"
We have to find examples where each relation holds.

I. x > y > z
This is the most intuitive of course.
z = 0, y = 1 and x = 2
2 > 1^2 > 0^4

II. z > y > x
Let me consider the 0 to 1 range here. Say z = 1/2, y = 1/3 and x = 1/4
1/4 > 1/9 > 1/16

III. x > z > y
Let's stick to 0 to 1 range. z > y as in case II above but x has to be greater than both of them. Say z = 1/2, y = 1/3 and x = 1
1>1/9 > 1/16

So all three statements could be true.
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 01:46
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Hi Bunuel/Karishma,
Thanks for the earlier response.. I think, I am very weak in Inequalities..
Could you please post how to go about this question in algebraic way.. ...also if you could let me know how do you make sure about the "Range of the values", that will also work..
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Plug-in method is really the best way to handle such kind of questions. No need to look for some kind of textbook or algebraic ways.

Notice that there are are certain GMAT questions which are pretty much only solvable with plug-in or trial and error methods (well at leas in 2-3 minutes). Many difficult inequality problems will often require some sort of plug-ins, as part of your technique or else you'll spend too much time solving them with algebra. Which means that you MUST make plug-in methods part of your arsenal if you want to get a decent score.

Inequality questions to practice.
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P.S. I'm not sure understood the following part of your post: "how do you make sure about the "Range of the values", that will also work.. "
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Agree its a super tricky problem. I was so focused on the 0-1 range for x,y & z that forgot that for statement 3 you could have larger numbers :-(
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If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be true?

I. x>y>z
II. z>y>x
III. x>z>y

A. I only
B. I and II only
C. I and III only
D. II and III only
E. I, II and II


As this is a COULD be true question then even one set of numbers proving that statement holds true is enough to say that this statement should be part of correct answer choice.

Given: x > y^2 > z^4.

1. x>y>z --> the easiest one: if x=100, y=2 and z=1 --> this set satisfies x > y^2 > z^4 as well as given statement x>y>z. So 1 COULD be true.

2. z>y>x --> we have reverse order than in stem (x > y^2 > z^4), so let's try fractions: if x=\frac{1}{5}, y=\frac{1}{4} and z=\frac{1}{3} then again the stem and this statement hold true. So 2 also COULD be true.

3. x>z>y --> let's make x some big number, let's say 1,000. Next, let's try the fractions for z and y for the same reason as above (reverse order of y and z): y=\frac{1}{3} and z=\frac{1}{2}. The stem and this statement hold true for this set of numbers. So 3 also COULD be true.

Answer: E.




Isn't it stated in the exam that assume all numbers are integers? We can't try fractions unless they say they are not integers.


No that's not true at all. All numbers on the test represent real numbers: Integers, Fractions and Irrational Numbers. You cannot assume a variable is integer if you are not explicitly told so.
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 15 Feb 2012, 11:11
I agree with E. Last one was tricky but once you realize that y and z could be fractions it becomes clear. took less than a minute but still a good question to make sure your reasoning is solid
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 01:31
Hi Bunuel/Karishma,
Thanks for the earlier response.. I think, I am very weak in Inequalities..
Could you please post how to go about this question in algebraic way.. ...also if you could let me know how do you make sure about the "Range of the values", that will also work..
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 03:01
Thanks Bunuel for your response..
This is what I mean when I said range - Red Part in Karishma's response"
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1) x > y2 > z4

which of the following is true:

I x>y>z
II z>y>x
III x>z>y

A) I Only
B) I and II Only
C) I and III Only
D) II and III Only
E) I, II and III


I think the actual question is: Which of the following could be true?

Plugging in numbers work best for such questions. The only thing to keep in mind is that you should plug in the right numbers. How do you know the right numbers?
When I see x > y^2 > z^4, I think that y^2 and z^4 are non negative. Since y^2 > z^4, y^2 cannot be 0. Only z can be 0. x has to be positive. Also, I have to take into account two ranges: 0 to 1 and 1 to infinity. The powers behave differently in these two ranges. I will consider negative numbers only if I have to since with powers, they get confusing to deal with.

The question says: "Which of the following could be true?"
We have to find examples where each relation holds.

I. x > y > z
This is the most intuitive of course.
z = 0, y = 1 and x = 2
2 > 1^2 > 0^4

II. z > y > x
Let me consider the 0 to 1 range here. Say z = 1/2, y = 1/3 and x = 1/4
1/4 > 1/9 > 1/16

III. x > z > y
Let's stick to 0 to 1 range. z > y as in case II above but x has to be greater than both of them. Say z = 1/2, y = 1/3 and x = 1
1>1/9 > 1/16

So all three statements could be true.
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 28 Feb 2012, 04:59
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Thanks Bunuel for your response..
This is what I mean when I said range - Red Part in Karishma's response"
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First notice that since x>z^4 (x is greater than some nonnegative value) then x>0.

Now, as Karishma correctly noted, numbers in powers behave differently in the range {0. 1} and {1. +infinity}. For example:

If 0<a<1 then a, a^2 and a^4 will be ordered as follows: 0--(a^4)--(a^2)--(a)--1

If a>1 then a, a^2 and a^4 will be ordered as follows: 1--(a)--(a^2)--(a^4)--

So, we should take the above difference in ordering into account when picking numbers for x, y, and z, since we need to find the values which satisfy 3 different statements.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2012, 00:05
So, Karishma, can it be said that any configuration of x, y and z COULD be true? Because we can always find fractions or integers which will satisfy.

6 configurations are possible, x>y>z, x>z>y, y>x>z, y>z>x, z>x>y and z>y>x. The answer choices in the question are the first, second and the last but I think any of these 6 configurations COULD be true.
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 20 Jan 2013, 11:48
Sorry to open up a new thread!

Bunuel, I was impressed from your geometric way to solve inequalities. I was trying this one but could not really figure out how? Would you mind giving us a geometric way to solve this problem?

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1) x > y2 > z4

which of the following is true:

I x>y>z
II z>y>x
III x>z>y

A) I Only
B) I and II Only
C) I and III Only
D) II and III Only
E) I, II and III


I think the actual question is: Which of the following could be true?

Plugging in numbers work best for such questions. The only thing to keep in mind is that you should plug in the right numbers. How do you know the right numbers?
When I see x > y^2 > z^4, I think that y^2 and z^4 are non negative. Since y^2 > z^4, y^2 cannot be 0. Only z can be 0. x has to be positive. Also, I have to take into account two ranges: 0 to 1 and 1 to infinity. The powers behave differently in these two ranges. I will consider negative numbers only if I have to since with powers, they get confusing to deal with.

The question says: "Which of the following could be true?"
We have to find examples where each relation holds.

I. x > y > z
This is the most intuitive of course.
z = 0, y = 1 and x = 2
2 > 1^2 > 0^4

II. z > y > x
Let me consider the 0 to 1 range here. Say z = 1/2, y = 1/3 and x = 1/4
1/4 > 1/9 > 1/16

III. x > z > y
Let's stick to 0 to 1 range. z > y as in case II above but x has to be greater than both of them. Say z = 1/2, y = 1/3 and x = 1
1>1/9 > 1/16

So all three statements could be true.



Hey Karishma,

Can you please confirm if this type of solving is justified

As x>y^2>z^4. It can be inferred that x>y^2 and is true for both x>y and x<y (As we don't have any limitations for the three variables)
Also, y^2>z^4 which means y>z^2 and the inequality is valid for both y>z and y<z
Additionally, x>z^4, similar to prior cases x>z and z<x

So, x>y>z, z>y>x, x>z>y are all possible
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 30 Jan 2013, 06:23
You can not derive y>z^2 from y^2 > z^4. If y is -5 and z is 2, then y^2 = 25 which is greater than z^4 = 16, but you can't say y (-5) > then z^2 (4).
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2013, 06:05
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If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be true?

I. x>y>z
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A. I only
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D. II and III only
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use plug in to get it quick


put x = 1/8, y = 1/4, z=,1/ 16
now keep on interchanging x,y, z
we get 1, 2, 3 all could be true => E
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2013, 06:15
Restrictions are not provided on the variables so I planned to check different values I and used x=y=z=1/2.
As if I take 1/2 for each variables, its given condition would be satisfied and it will become 1/2>1/4>1/8.

So according to me none of the conditions are satisfied.
Am I doing anything wrong here?
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2013, 06:40
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Restrictions are not provided on the variables so I planned to check different values I and used x=y=z=1/2.
As if I take 1/2 for each variables, its given condition would be satisfied and it will become 1/2>1/4>1/8.

So according to me none of the conditions are satisfied.
Am I doing anything wrong here?


Notice that the question asks "which of the following statements could be true" NOT "which of the following statements must be true"
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Re: If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2013, 07:58
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chetan86 wrote:
Restrictions are not provided on the variables so I planned to check different values I and used x=y=z=1/2.
As if I take 1/2 for each variables, its given condition would be satisfied and it will become 1/2>1/4>1/8.

So according to me none of the conditions are satisfied.
Am I doing anything wrong here?


Notice that the question asks "which of the following statements could be true" NOT "which of the following statements must be true"



Thanks Bunuel for identifying my mistake.
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Re: x > y^2 > z^4 [#permalink] New post 07 Nov 2013, 01:10
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If x > y^2 > z^4, which of the following statements could be true?

I. x>y>z
II. z>y>x
III. x>z>y

A. I only
B. I and II only
C. I and III only
D. II and III only
E. I, II and II


As this is a COULD be true question then even one set of numbers proving that statement holds true is enough to say that this statement should be part of correct answer choice.

Given: x > y^2 > z^4.

1. x>y>z --> the easiest one: if x=100, y=2 and z=1 --> this set satisfies x > y^2 > z^4 as well as given statement x>y>z. So 1 COULD be true.

2. z>y>x --> we have reverse order than in stem (x > y^2 > z^4), so let's try fractions: if x=\frac{1}{5}, y=\frac{1}{4} and z=\frac{1}{3} then again the stem and this statement hold true. So 2 also COULD be true.

3. x>z>y --> let's make x some big number, let's say 1,000. Next, let's try the fractions for z and y for the same reason as above (reverse order of y and z): y=\frac{1}{3} and z=\frac{1}{2}. The stem and this statement hold true for this set of numbers. So 3 also COULD be true.

Answer: E.




Isn't it stated in the exam that assume all numbers are integers? We can't try fractions unless they say they are not integers.
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