If xy + z = z, is |x - y| > 0?

(1) x # 0 (Not equal to)
(2) y = 0

I dont understand... here why do we need any statement at all?? For whatever value of x-y, |x-y| will remain positive isnt it? Can some one explain?

Hi amitjash,

I guess we need to consider the case where X=Y then |x-y|= 0.

The statements are required to establish whether X=Y.
Actually the question is whether X=Y. From question stem xy+z=z => XY = 0 => X=0 / Y=0 / X=Y=0

xy+z=z, is |x-y|>0?

1. x# 0 (Not equal to)

2. Y= 0
From question stem xy+z=z => XY = 0

Stmt 1: x# 0 (Not equal to) ; combined with question stem Y = 0. => X#Y hence |x-y|> 0 always ; sufficient
Stmt 2: Y=0 gives 2 possibilities Y=X = 0 => |x-y|= 0 & Y=0 X#0 => X#Y hence |x-y|> 0; not sufficient.

Answer A

xy = 0 means either x or y or both are equal to 0.

a means y = 0 and x > | < 0 hence LHS > RHS always. A.

b means x may or may not be = 0. Hence POE.
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a

statement simplifies to xy=0 , are x,y different nos

1. sufficient certain

2. nsufficient 2 values x=0 or x= any no


hence A
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the answer is A . very simple , the question has stated xy=0 so ,either x=0 or y=0 , now A states x not = 0. hence y=0 is clear from A itself.

now |x-y| >0 always,
provided (x-y) is not equal to 0.
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Your argument:
"xy = 0
S2: y = 0
Therefore, it means x is non zero to avoid 0/0 form for y
Therefore, x > 0"

Think about this for a second, it's deeply flawed. If you assume your argument, you are essentially suggesting that we can never multiply two zeros together, as we need to "avoid 0/0 form for y", yet clearly:

Let x = 0, y = 0
0 * 0 = 0

The problem with your line of thinking is that you are treating division-by-zero as a possible operation that we "avoid". It's not avoided, its simply undefined.

There are a whole range of fallacies that rely on this premise.


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if x(x-1) =0
then either x=0 or x=1 not both

in any equation (x-a)(x-b)(x-c)=0 the possible answers are either x=a, x=b, x=c or any combination of two or all three.
eg a=b or a=c. If a,b,c are different then only either of them could be true at one time, but we will have three possible answers.
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You are correct, in that example, you can not assume both are zero at the same time. What you are missing here is that these both contain the same variable, x. This not what is presented in the question.

I recognize you do not accept the answer to this question, but step back and consider the implication of your argument. You are suggesting that two independent variables, x and y, can not be zero, because when multiplied together they equal zero. This is a non-sensical conclusion to reach, much like if someone reach 1 = 0 in your above example. I am sure you accept this conclusion makes no sense, yet you are not questioning your own argument to find out what has led you to reach this conclusion.

More than happy for either of those people to weigh in on this, you will note that Bunnel already has.
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gmat1220: As per your request, let me provide the logic here.

Both, gurpreetsingh and your high school, are correct.

Given that x*y = 0.
Think of it in this way: I have two numbers. I don't know their values. But when I multiply them, I get 0. So at least one of the numbers have to be 0. Both can also be 0 since 0*0 = 0. Nothing says that they cannot be equal.

Why were you taught 'Either x or y is 0 in high school?'
Because 'Either or' implies 'At least one'. It is counter intuitive to how we think about 'Either or'. In language, we generally think 'Either or' means either A or B but not both. This is incorrect implication in logic. 'Either or' means at least one of A and B. Both are also possible. (If you do not agree, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_disjunction)

Next, how do you explain 0 = 0/0? If you remember, in many DS questions where you have equations with denominators, you are specifically given that the denominator is not 0. e.g.
Given x = y/(x - z), x not equal to z,...
You can only divide something by x if you know that it is not zero.
xy = 0 cannot be re-written as x = 0/y because you do not know whether y is 0 or not. You do not divide an equation by a variable until and unless you know that the variable is not 0.

Hope that clears up the doubts.
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