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y>=0 (1) |x-3|>= y, x can be any number >=3, x<=3 Not suff 2) |x-3|<=-y, y>=0, equation says that |x-3|less or equals to zero, but |x-3| never negative (|x-3|>=0), so only solution is if |x-3|=0=y --> x-3=0 --> x=3 Sufficinet
If y>=0 specified in the stem. Further mod of anything is positive. So, 0>=y according to 1. both y>=0 or y<=0, means y=0. So mod(x-3)>=0. Then x-3>=0 or x-3<=0 So, x>=3 or x<=3. Thus, x=3. Same thing for 2. So, D.
gmate2010 wrote:
\(y >= 0\)
1.) \(|x-3| >= y\)
=> \(-y >= (x-3) >= y\)
=> \(3-y >= x >= 3+y\)
Now, if y = 0 , then, \(3 >= x >= 3\) => x can only be 3 but, if y = 1 , then, \(2 >= x >= 4\) => which is not possible for any value of x.
=> x can only be 3 when y = 0 ..sufficient..
2.) \(|x-3| <= -y\)
=> \(y <= (x-3) <= -y\)
=> \(3+y <= x <= 3-y\)
when y = 0 ; then, \(3 <= x <= 3\) => x can only be 3.. when y = 1 ; then \(4 <= x <= 2\), which is not possible for any value of x.
O.K. as I see there has been kind of confusion about this question. I'm pretty sure answer is B.
I looked through the logic of people who think answer should be D and here is were they are making mistake:
(1) First of all: To check |x - 3|>=0 is sufficient or not just plug numbers A. x=5 y=1>0 and B. x=8 y=2>0; you'll see that both fits in |x - 3|>=0, y>=0. So ABSOLUTELY NO WAY (1) CAN BE SUFFICIENT.
|x - 3|>=y means that: x - 3>=y>=0 when x-3>0 --> x>3 OR (not and) -x+3>=y>=0 when x-3<0 --> x<3 Generally speaking |x - 3|>=y>=0 means that |x - 3|, an absolute value, is at least some positive number. So, there's no way you'll get a unique value for x. INSUFFICIENT.
(2) |x-3|<=-y, y>=0, equation says that |x-3|less or equals to zero, but |x-3| never negative (|x-3|>=0), so only solution is if |x-3|=0=y --> x-3=0 --> x=3 SUFFICIENT
In other words: (-y) is 0 or less, and the absolute value (|x-3|) must be at (0) or below this value. But absolute value (in this case |x-3|) can not be less than zero, so it must be 0.
O.K. as I see there has been kind of confusion about this question. I'm pretty sure answer is B.
I looked through the logic of people who think answer should be D and here is were they are making mistake:
(1) First of all: To check |x - 3|>=0 is sufficient or not just plug numbers A. x=5 y=1>0 and B. x=8 y=2>0; you'll see that both fits in |x - 3|>=0, y>=0. So ABSOLUTELY NO WAY (1) CAN BE SUFFICIENT.
|x - 3|>=y means that: x - 3>=y>=0 when x-3>0 --> x>3 OR (not and) -x+3>=y>=0 when x-3<0 --> x<3 Generally speaking |x - 3|>=y>=0 means that |x - 3|, an absolute value, is at least some positive number. So, there's no way you'll get a unique value for x. INSUFFICIENT.
(2) |x-3|<=-y, y>=0, equation says that |x-3|less or equals to zero, but |x-3| never negative (|x-3|>=0), so only solution is if |x-3|=0=y --> x-3=0 --> x=3 SUFFICIENT
In other words: (-y) is 0 or less, and the absolute value (|x-3|) must be at (0) or below this value. But absolute value (in this case |x-3|) can not be less than zero, so it must be 0.
So answer is B.
Got it finally! Thank you for clear explanation, Bunuel. B it is. Of course, A is not suff... _________________
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Hi All,
When complex-looking questions show up on Test Day, there's almost always some type of built-in pattern involved. If you can't immediate spot the pattern, then you have to put in a bit of work to prove what the pattern actually is....TESTing VALUES can help you to prove that a pattern exists.....
Here, we're told that Y >= 0. We're asked for the value of X.
Fact 1: |X-3| >= Y
IF.... Y = 0 Then |X-3| >= 0, so X can be ANY number. As Y gets bigger, certain options are eliminated, but given this 'restriction', X has an infinite number of possibilities. Fact 1 is INSUFFICIENT
Fact 2: |X-3| <= -Y
Here, we have to be CAREFUL with the details. Notice how there's a NEGATIVE sign in front of the Y.....
IF.... Y = 0 |X-3| <= 0
Absolute values CANNOT have negative results - the result is ALWAYS 0 or a positive, so this TEST has JUST ONE solution... X = 3
IF.... Y = 1 |X-3| <= - 1 which is NOT POSSIBLE.
From the prompt, we know that Y >= 0, so choosing a positive value for Y will NOT fit the absolute value given in Fact 2. This means that the ONLY possible value for Y is 0. By extension, there is ONLY ONE possible value for X....X = 3. Fact 2 is SUFFICIENT
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