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But don't we consider negative sq. root as well?
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Thanks a lot Bunuel. its absolutely clear :)
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noboru wrote:
If y=sqrt(3y+4) then the product of all possible solution(s) for y is

a -4
b -2
c 0
d 4
e 6



D is the correct answer.
The two solutions are 4 and -1 then -1 doesn't satisfy the equation so the only solution is 4.
D is correct.


Hello rakeshd347.,

If the two solutions are 4 and -1, that would mean that they both satisfy the equation and that is why they are the solutions. The product of all possible solutions is hence 4*-1 = -4.

If it helps, in an equation \(ax^2 + bx + c = 0\), the sum of the roots is \(\frac{-b}{a}\) and the product of the roots is \(\frac{c}{a}\)
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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
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Can you please help me with this question:

If \(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\), then the product of all possible solution(s) for y is:

A. -4
B. -2
C. 0
D. 4
E. 6



y has to be a non negative value as y = square root of something hence we can eliminate A and B.

squaring both sides we get:
y^2 - 3y - 4 = 0
y^2 - 4y + y - 4 = 0
y(y-4) + 1(y - 4) = 0
(y-4) (y+1) = 0
y can be equal to 4 or -1.

Now -1 is not possible as -1 is not equal to square root of -1. Hence answer is 4. (D)
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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
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Prax wrote:
Can you please help me with this question:

If \(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\), then the product of all possible solution(s) for y is:
-4
-2
0
4
6


Square both sides: \(y^2=3y+4\) --> \((y+1)(y-4)=0\) --> \(y=-1\) or \(y=4\), but \(y\) cannot be negative as it equals to square root of some expression (\(\sqrt{expression}\geq{0}\)), so only one solution is valid \(y=4\).

Answer: D.


I don't understand why y = -1 is not a valid solution. Let's evaluate the equation with y = -1.
LHS = y = -1.
RHS = sqrt(3y+4) = sqrt(3*(-1)+4) = sqrt(-3+4) = sqrt(1) = -1 = LHS. Where's the problem? It perfectly satisfies the equation.

Just saying that for y = -1 the sqrt is not valid is incorrect coz for y = -1 the expression under sqrt equals 1 which is +ve. Hence y = -1 is valid solution and answer for this question should be -1*4 = -4.

Hope I'm clear. Justify if I'm not.
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Bunuel wrote:
Prax wrote:
Can you please help me with this question:

If \(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\), then the product of all possible solution(s) for y is:
-4
-2
0
4
6


Square both sides: \(y^2=3y+4\) --> \((y+1)(y-4)=0\) --> \(y=-1\) or \(y=4\), but \(y\) cannot be negative as it equals to square root of some expression (\(\sqrt{expression}\geq{0}\)), so only one solution is valid \(y=4\).

Answer: D.


I don't understand why y = -1 is not a valid solution. Let's evaluate the equation with y = -1.
LHS = y = -1.
RHS = sqrt(3y+4) = sqrt(3*(-1)+4) = sqrt(-3+4) = sqrt(1) = -1 = LHS. Where's the problem? It perfectly satisfies the equation.

Just saying that for y = -1 the sqrt is not valid is incorrect coz for y = -1 the expression under sqrt equals 1 which is +ve. Hence y = -1 is valid solution and answer for this question should be -1*4 = -4.

Hope I'm clear. Justify if I'm not.


Please read the whole thread: if-y-root-3y-4-then-the-product-of-all-possible-solution-94527.html#p727486

\(\sqrt{1}=1\), not 1 and -1.
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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
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Bunuel wrote:


I don't understand why y = -1 is not a valid solution. Let's evaluate the equation with y = -1.
LHS = y = -1.
RHS = sqrt(3y+4) = sqrt(3*(-1)+4) = sqrt(-3+4) = sqrt(1) = -1 = LHS. Where's the problem? It perfectly satisfies the equation.

Just saying that for y = -1 the sqrt is not valid is incorrect coz for y = -1 the expression under sqrt equals 1 which is +ve. Hence y = -1 is valid solution and answer for this question should be -1*4 = -4.

Hope I'm clear. Justify if I'm not.


Please read the whole thread: if-y-root-3y-4-then-the-product-of-all-possible-solution-94527.html#p727486

\(\sqrt{1}=1\), not 1 and -1.


Ok. Got it. But does this apply to DS as well. E.g., if the deduction of any statement boils down to, say, x= sqrt(4), then can we say that that statement would be sufficient since it would yield just one value (i.e. the principal root)?

I'm a bit confused coz I remember coming across questions where both +ve & -ve values have been considered. Please help clarify my confusion. Thanks in advance. :)
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Ok. Got it. But does this apply to DS as well. E.g., if the deduction of any statement boils down to, say, x= sqrt(4), then can we say that that statement would be sufficient since it would yield just one value (i.e. the principal root)?

I'm a bit confused coz I remember coming across questions where both +ve & -ve values have been considered. Please help clarify my confusion. Thanks in advance. :)


This applies to math generally. The square root cannot give negative result.
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If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
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Can you please help me with this question:
If \(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\), then the product of all possible solution(s) for y is:

A. -4
B. -2
C. 0
D. 4
E. 6


It's a quadratic equation (y-4)(y+1)=0
The two roots y=4 and -1
Since y is coming out of a square root it cannot be -ve
Therefore the root y=-1 is not valid leaving us with only one root y=4
The answer is D

Originally posted by LogicGuru1 on 07 Jul 2016, 02:09.
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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
y^2 = 3y+4.. solving the quadratic we get two values for Y : -1 or 4

But as Y is a root of something it cant take the negative value, hence only solution is 4

Hence answer is D
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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
If \(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\), then the product of all possible solution(s) for y is:

\(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\)

Squaring on both sides.

\(y^2 = 3y + 4\)

\(y^2 - 3y - 4 = 0\)

\((y - 4) (y + 1) = 0\)

\(y = 4\) or

\(y = -1\)

As per the given equation for y we know that the value was in Square Root

As the value of square root cannot be negative, there can be only value for y here and that is y =4

Hence, Answer is D

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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
y^2=3y+4
y^2-3y-4=0
(y+1)(y-4)=0
y=-1,4
y can't be negative because it's the result of a square root

Answer D
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Given
    • y=√(3y+4)

To find
    • The product of all the possible values of y.

Approach and Working out

Squaring on all the sides of y=√(3y+4), we get:
    • y^2 = 3y +4
    • y^2 -3y -4 =0
    • y^2 – 4y + y -4 =0
    • y(y-4) +1(y-4) =0
    • y = -1 and 4

Since y is equal to the square root of one number, it cannot be negative.
Hence, y =4
Thus, option D is the correct answer.

Correct Answer: Option D
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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
Prax wrote:
If \(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\), then the product of all possible solution(s) for y is:

A. -4
B. -2
C. 0
D. 4
E. 6

\(y=\sqrt{3y+4}\)

Or, \(y^2 = 3y + 4\)

Or, \(y^2 - 3y - 4 = 0\)

Or, \(y = 4\), Answer will be (D)
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Re: If y=root(3y+4), then the product of all possible solution [#permalink]
Given that \(y\ =\ \sqrt{\ 3y+4}\)
Squaring both the sides we have :
\(y^2=\ 3y+4\)
\(y^2-3y-4\ =\ 0\)
\(\left(y-4\right)\left(y+1\right)\ =0\)
y takes the values of 4 and -1.
But since \(\sqrt{\ x^2}=\ \left|x\right|\)
y = -1 does not satsify this case.
Hence the only possible value if y that satsifies is 4.
Hence the answer is 4.
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